Coronavirus 2019-nCov: Political Thread

[pinstripers]

Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
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Fauci last year: I'm "confident this virus acts like every other .. once you get infected, get better, clear the virus, you will have immunity that will protect you against reinfection ... I'd be willing to bet anything people who recover are really protected against reinfection"

[Shockm]

From New York Times New Data shows that Immunity from Vaccine may last years. A new study shows that it may last years, even decades. Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness with a slow rate of decline which may persist in the body for a very long time. This amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized severe disease for many years said Shane Crotty, a virologist at the La Jolla Institute of immunology. The findings would likely mean that people might not have to repeatedly receive vaccines to keep the pandemic under control.

It goes on to say that these immune cells, while strong, are only a small part of the Killer T Cells, and other means of immunity that the body appears to have available to it. Thus, once herd immunity is established, it may be decades of immunity from this virus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/h...-immunity.html

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Hows Florida doing compared to a lot of nazi lockdown states...

Your brain is broken. I'm not relitigating this for the 9th time. You'll never win the debate no matter how long you wait and how many angles you try to play revisionist historian.

[pinstripers]

Hows Florida doing compared to a lot of nazi lockdown states...

Sounds like pretty damn well

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Your brain is broken. I'm not relitigating this for the 9th time. You'll never win the debate no matter how long you wait and how many angles you try to play revisionist historian.

No, you aren't addressing it because you can't.

Unplug and Unite (at the border)!

[SB Shock]

Your brain is broken. I'm not relitigating this for the 9th time. You'll never win the debate no matter how long you wait and how many angles you try to play revisionist historian.

Classical Logical Fallacy - Ad Hominem attack

[SB Shock]

It is because of Trump and his minions that we never got this under control the entire time. Kind of ironic that the same people who protest disease mitigation are the exact same ones that extended the outbreak forcing non-stop government intervention for 12 months. This whole thing could have been quashed by last May. Maybe we still have another spike in January, but the total impact (financial, death, distress) on this country would have been NOTHING like what we've experienced.

Classical Logical Fallacy - False Dilemma/Dichotomy

[ShockerFever]

Your brain is broken. I'm not relitigating this for the 9th time. You'll never win the debate no matter how long you wait and how many angles you try to play revisionist historian.

Sounds like somebody got burned.

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Wow! 3 dumb posts in a row.

[wufan]

Wow! 3 dumb posts in a row.

No need to count. They’ll never break your record.

[SB Shock]

Wow! 3 dumb posts in a row.

Classical Logical Fallacy - False Analogy

[ShockerFever]

Wow! 3 dumb posts in a row.

Deflection 101.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/how-taiwan-triumphed-over-covid-as-uk-faltered

How Taiwan triumphed over Covid as the UK faltered

Taipei’s success shows lives might have been saved had the UK government acted differently

Along central Taipei’s busy Yongkang Street crowds spill out of restaurants and bars every evening, mingling with people queueing outside popular eateries for a tiny table to cram around with groups of friends. Children out way past their bedtime run amok over the play equipment in a nearby park, shrieking and laughing as their parents chat nearby.

In London, it would be unthinkable. In the Taiwanese capital, it is just another spring evening.

Taiwan has ridden out the coronavirus pandemic mostly unscathed, while Britain has been crippled economically and in human terms. The death, disease and mental health crises sparked by lockdown have all exacted a heavy toll.

Both are islands ruled by democratic government, their large populations – more than 22 million people live in Taiwan – mostly crowded into cities, with public health systems that mean medical care is widely accessible.

At the end of 2019, both were heavily exposed to travellers carrying coronavirus: Britain because of its status as an international travel hub; Taiwan because closely woven cultural and economic ties meant hundreds of planes crossed the narrow strait to mainland China – where the virus was first detected – weekly.

A little over a year later, Britain has one of the world’s worst death rates, with more than 130,000 people lost to the virus and more than 4 million people infected. Taiwan has lost 10 people, and had just 1,000 documented cases, the vast majority of them among quarantined travellers.

The root of the difference lies in the approach their governments took.

Taiwan’s leaders, helped perhaps by having an epidemiologist as vice-president, perhaps by its experience of the outbreak of the Sars coronavirus in 2003, recognised the terrible threat posed by Covid-19, even as the earliest data trickled in. They decided the only way to protect their country, its people and economy, was to keep the virus out.

Britain, by contrast, made the catastrophic decision to treat the disease as akin to flu, aiming to limit its spread rather than stamp it out, said Jay Patel, a Covid-19 researcher at Edinburgh who studies comparative approaches to the pandemic worldwide. “Their playbook to begin with was different,” he said.

“The response plan for flu is broadly mitigation [of spread], so you try to prevent the number of cases exceeding what the healthcare capacity can handle. The Sars model [used by Taiwan] is about elimination, saying because of the casualty rate, we need to suppress this disease with a view to elimination.

Taiwan offers a much more powerful – and bleak – comparison with the UK. Its success shows how Britain’s tragedy was never inevitable, and how lives and livelihoods might have been spared if the outbreak had been handled better by the UK government.

Taipei never needed to fall back on the UK’s most radical tool – lockdown – because it acted fast on a collection of effective policies including border controls, efficient track, trace and isolate systems, and widespread mask-wearing.

Taiwan made the United States look like a 3rd world country.

Border control, contact trace, and universal mask-wearing and we could be living in near normality right now.

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1374777986965209100

[pinstripers]

Minnesota reports 89 COVID-19 cases in vaccinated individuals

https://www.yahoo.com/news/minnesota-reports-89-covid-19-163500589.html