Coronavirus 2019-nCoV

[shoxlax]

There is no difference in transmission rates between masked and unmasked areas. It doesn’t matter if people stay home for this reason on a population based metric. The population may or may not see increases in transmission.

I’ve heard the media show cherry picked stats of the opposite. My point is it acts like a tacit lockdown and it sure the hell hurts the economy.

[1979Shocker]

Florida governor signs order letting parents decide if kids wear masks in schools (msn.com)

[WstateU]

But there has to be a correlation on the effect of mask mandates by just the sheer number of people that say screw it, I’m staying home?

[1979Shocker]

Florida COVID-19 cases surge to record 1-day total with 21,683 (msn.com)

[wufan]

Florida COVID-19 cases surge to record 1-day total with 21,683 (msn.com)

Per the article (and data I’ve seen) this is peak cases in Florida, and they are at the same place they were in January. The seven day rolling average on deaths is less than 1/3 of that at the peak of the pandemic. As long as that holds, then Florida is doing it right.

[Shockm]

Australia has had a worse response to people getting the vaccine than the United States has. They have resorted to stricter enforcement models such as forced vaccines for kids in school, etc. Their PSA's weren't working either so they resorted to a more graphic PSA and it was met with criticism from some circles. Personally, I mind the graphic PSA much less than forced vaccines. After all, the images are educational, real life depictions regarding what can happen to the unvaccinated.

https://www.bandt.com.au/icu-vaccine...s-into-action/

[wufan]

Australia has had a worse response to people getting the vaccine than the United States has. They have resorted to stricter enforcement models such as forced vaccines for kids in school, etc. Their PSA's weren't working either so they resorted to a more graphic PSA and it was met with criticism from some circles. Personally, I mind the graphic PSA much less than forced vaccines. After all, the images are educational, real life depictions regarding what can happen to the unvaccinated.

https://www.bandt.com.au/icu-vaccine...s-into-action/

Certainly PSAs aren’t as bad, but some of the US PSAs have been counterfactual over the last few decades (in general, not Covid).

In some areas of Australia, we hey are knocking on doors to make sure folks aren’t breaking lockdown, and a small military force has been sent in to assist with the enforcement.

[WuDrWu]

The infection rate is worse than last year at this time.

The blood of hundreds of thousands is on Biden's hands.

Throw him and his family in jail!!!! No justice, no peace!!


(That's how it works, right?)


I'll give Cold his due on one thing....if the government had created an incentive based campaign (in ADDITION to not lying constantly about what the vaccine will and will not do, which is clearly something they are incapable of doing) then we'd likely have better vaccination numbers right now.

Yes, the goalposts would still be moved (has to be zero infection rate now, which we know to be impossible) but we'd be in a better place.

The issue isn't 'MurIcA gun toting Trumpists. Yes, they are a piece, but it's more the poor, and especially minorities in addition to all the illegals pouring over the borders, which seems to be of zero concern to this Administration.

[wufan]

The infection rate is worse than last year at this time.

The blood of hundreds of thousands is on Biden's hands.

Throw him and his family in jail!!!! No justice, no peace!!


(That's how it works, right?)


I'll give Cold his due on one thing....if the government had created an incentive based campaign (in ADDITION to not lying constantly about what the vaccine will and will not do, which is clearly something they are incapable of doing) then we'd likely have better vaccination numbers right now.

Yes, the goalposts would still be moved (has to be zero infection rate now, which we know to be impossible) but we'd be in a better place.

The issue isn't 'MurIcA gun toting Trumpists. Yes, they are a piece, but it's more the poor, and especially minorities in addition to all the illegals pouring over the borders, which seems to be of zero concern to this Administration.

It appears quite clear at this point that vaccination does not prevent spread. It is now, as it has always been, is a risk assessment on an individual level. “It’s the flu” seems more and more reasonable as time passes.

[shoxlax]

The infection rate is worse than last year at this time.

The blood of hundreds of thousands is on Biden's hands.

Throw him and his family in jail!!!! No justice, no peace!!


(That's how it works, right?)


I'll give Cold his due on one thing....if the government had created an incentive based campaign (in ADDITION to not lying constantly about what the vaccine will and will not do, which is clearly something they are incapable of doing) then we'd likely have better vaccination numbers right now.

Yes, the goalposts would still be moved (has to be zero infection rate now, which we know to be impossible) but we'd be in a better place.

The issue isn't 'MurIcA gun toting Trumpists. Yes, they are a piece, but it's more the poor, and especially minorities in addition to all the illegals pouring over the borders, which seems to be of zero concern to this Administration.

Oh but the vaccine was developed on Trump’s watch, so the entire thing still rides on his shoulders. The reason minorities and youth won’t get the vaccine is because of the level of mistrust he created with them.

The media gets their talking points from Baghdad Bob. They are that predictable.

[shoxlax]

It appears quite clear at this point that vaccination does not prevent spread. It is now, as it has always been, is a risk assessment on an individual level. “It’s the flu” seems more and more reasonable as time passes.

Stop it. We are changing this thread to cynicism, sarcasm and feigned doom. Nothing you can do will prevent that.

[Ted Lasso's Neighbor]

Plenty of news stuff out there about a place called Barnstable County, Massachusetts, home to Cape Cod, due to a CDC report on it about a covid outbreak tied back to July 4th activities in a town called Provincetown. Some of the articles say it's the reason the CDC reversed their stance on masks for vaccinated people. Here's the link to the actual report - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7031e2_w - and here's some stuff from it. The third paragraph below is the one the news articles mainly focus on. FYI - Janssen is a reference to the vaccine from Johnson and Johnson.:

"During July 3–17, 2021, multiple summer events and large public gatherings were held in a town in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, that attracted thousands of tourists from across the United States. Beginning July 10, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health (MA DPH) received reports of an increase in COVID-19 cases among persons who reside in or recently visited Barnstable County, including in fully vaccinated persons. Persons with COVID-19 reported attending densely packed indoor and outdoor events at venues that included bars, restaurants, guest houses, and rental homes. On July 3, MA DPH had reported a 14-day average COVID-19 incidence of zero cases per 100,000 persons per day in residents of the town in Barnstable County; by July 17, the 14-day average incidence increased to 177 cases per 100,000 persons per day in residents of the town (2)."

"By July 26, a total of 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents; dates of positive specimen collection ranged from July 6 through July 25 (Figure 1). Most cases occurred in males (85%); median age was 40 years (range = <1–76 years). Nearly one half (199; 42%) reported residence in the town in Barnstable County. Overall, 346 (74%) persons with COVID-19 reported symptoms consistent with COVID-19.** Five were hospitalized; as of July 27, no deaths were reported. One hospitalized patient (age range = 50–59 years) was not vaccinated and had multiple underlying medical conditions.^†† Four additional, fully vaccinated patients^§§ aged 20–70 years were also hospitalized, two of whom had underlying medical conditions. Initial genomic sequencing of specimens from 133 patients identified the Delta variant in 119 (89%) cases and the Delta AY.3 sublineage in one (1%) case; genomic sequencing was not successful for 13 (10%) specimens.

Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated; of these, 301 (87%) were male, with a median age of 42 years. Vaccine products received by persons experiencing breakthrough infections were Pfizer-BioNTech (159; 46%), Moderna (131; 38%), and Janssen (56; 16%); among fully vaccinated persons in the Massachusetts general population, 56% had received Pfizer-BioNTech, 38% had received Moderna, and 7% had received Janssen vaccine products. Among persons with breakthrough infection, 274 (79%) reported signs or symptoms, with the most common being cough, headache, sore throat, myalgia, and fever. Among fully vaccinated symptomatic persons, the median interval from completion of ≥14 days after the final vaccine dose to symptom onset was 86 days (range = 6–178 days). Among persons with breakthrough infection, four (1.2%) were hospitalized, and no deaths were reported. Real-time RT-PCR Ct values in specimens from 127 fully vaccinated patients (median = 22.77) were similar to those among 84 patients who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median = 21.54) (Figure 2)."


The Barnstable County health department has more data about the 469 cases including a daily breakdown showing when the cases were reported at https://www.barnstablecountyhealth.o...n-provincetown and it also mentions the confirmed number of cases is now over 900.

[Ted Lasso's Neighbor]

Another place in the news is Chicago because of a big music festival called Lollapalooza - https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coro...tival/2572906/ - and other articles show packed crowds. Doctors have said it could be a outbreak spot but the mayor dismissed them:

One day earlier, a prominent Chicago infectious diseases expert warned that "lots of people" will contract COVID-19 at Lollapalooza, but Mayor Lori Lightfoot dismissed criticisms as coming from "critics on the sidelines."

To attend, one had to meet one of the following:

To enter Lollapalooza, concert-goers must provide a printed copy of their COVID vaccine card, vaccine record or negative coronavirus test within 72 hours of entering. Dr. Robert Murphy, executive director of Northwestern’s Institute for Global Health, acknowledged the vaccine and negative COVID-19 test requirements help, but said "it's just not enough when you're in the middle of the pandemic."

For those who are not vaccinated against COVID-19, a mask is required while inside the festival at all times. However, some infectious disease experts have expressed doubt whether mask requirements and social distancing will be followed.

Sounds the next spot the news media will be watching is the get together in Sturgis in early August.

[wufan]

Stop it. We are changing this thread to cynicism, sarcasm and feigned doom. Nothing you can do will prevent that.

It doesn’t stop the spread based on recent data. It protects the vaccinated individual. It will be here seasonally and will be a pain in the ass for those that aren’t vaccinated. Some will die. These are true statements.

[Ted Lasso's Neighbor]

Here's an interesting article from the NY Times over the weekend - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/u...americans.html - titled 'Who Are the Unvaccinated in America? There's No One Answer.'

It turns out, though, that this is not a single set of Americans, but in many ways two.

In one group are those who say they are adamant in their refusal of the coronavirus vaccines; they include a mix of people but tend to be disproportionately white, rural, evangelical Christian and politically conservative, surveys show.

In the other are those who say they are open to getting a shot but have been putting it off or want to wait and see before making a decision; they are a broad range of people, but tend to be a more diverse and urban group, including many younger people, Black and Latino Americans, and Democrats.

Plenty of individual stories and graphics throughout the article, include a graphic that says the #1 reason people say for not getting a shot is possible side effects.