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  • Originally posted by wufan View Post

    I’ve had enough.













    Whoops! Sorry, I was just on an "enough" roll.

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    • OK, one more...

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      • This suit is only $17 and when combined with masks far more effective than a mask alone. Its hard to tell from the pic but it does include a hood. Since they are readily available and so much more effective than masks, there is NO reason not to wear one anytime you are out.
        Last edited by Kung Wu; June 14, 2020, 08:37 PM.
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        • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post


          This suit is only $17 and when combined with masks far more effective than a mask alone. Its hard to tell from the pic but it does include a hood. Since they are readily available and so much more effective than masks, there is NO reason not to where one anytime you are out.
          Tyvek suits are EXTREMELY hot. I do not recommend anyone wear one in temperatures above 60.

          Instead, I would recommend everyone wear a bicycle helmet for your daily activities. It is far more effective against traumatic brain injury which kills 50k every year. It’s not that big of a deal, and in the biking culture, they even make it a fashion statement.

          Each year, traumatic brain injuries (TBI) contribute to a substantial number of deaths and cases of permanent disability. Understanding the data around brain injuries is critical to understanding the impact of this invisible public health crisis.

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          • Originally posted by wufan View Post

            Tyvek suits are EXTREMELY hot. I do not recommend anyone wear one in temperatures above 60.
            You simply slip them on in the Wal-Mart lobby when you are in air conditioning and around people. There is NO reason not to.
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            • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

              You simply slip them on in the Wal-Mart lobby when you are in air conditioning and around people. There is NO reason not to.
              you are serious

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              • Originally posted by pinstripers View Post

                you are serious
                And if you wear a face shield over your mask you avoid direct sneeze blasts too. No reason not to.
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                • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

                  And if you wear a face shield over your mask you avoid direct sneeze blasts too. No reason not to.
                  It’s simple to do and proven effective. Perhaps motorcycle helmets should be worn? It’s hard not to look cool in a motorcycle helmet.
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                  • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post


                    This suit is only $17 and when combined with masks far more effective than a mask alone. Its hard to tell from the pic but it does include a hood. Since they are readily available and so much more effective than masks, there is NO reason not to where one anytime you are out.
                    Incredibly ignorant, tone-deaf, and unhelpful humor.

                    Not funny either.

                    Weak premise too.

                    The marginal benefit of wearing a mask in a public gathering massively exceeds the marginal cost. A Tyvek suit is exactly the opposite.

                    You sound like you really want innocent people to die further threatening our economy and the upcoming election with a potential massive second wave of infection. Why? Are you secretly holding the vaccine and are hoping to drum up peak demand before releasing it?

                    Your comments on the issue have been illogical, biased, and quite irrational from the onset.


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                    • Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post

                      Incredibly ignorant, tone-deaf, and unhelpful humor.

                      Not funny either.

                      Weak premise too.

                      The marginal benefit of wearing a mask in a public gathering massively exceeds the marginal cost. A Tyvek suit is exactly the opposite.

                      You sound like you really want innocent people to die further threatening our economy and the upcoming election with a potential massive second wave of infection. Why? Are you secretly holding the vaccine and are hoping to drum up peak demand before releasing it?

                      Your comments on the issue have been illogical, biased, and quite irrational from the onset.


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                      Go ahead and site the Coronavirus prevention STUDY that demonstrates the benefit of wearing a mask.
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                      • Here’s a study before it became political. It’s not the end of the discussion, but an unbiased starting point:

                        Conclusions This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks

                        globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

                        Editor's Note The authors of this article, published in 2015, have written a response to their work in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. We urge our readers to consider the response when reading the article. Objective The aim of this study was to compare the efficacy of cloth masks to medical masks in hospital healthcare workers (HCWs). The null hypothesis is that there is no difference between medical masks and cloth masks. Setting 14 secondary-level/tertiary-level hospitals in Hanoi, Vietnam. Participants 1607 hospital HCWs aged ≥18 years working full-time in selected high-risk wards. Intervention Hospital wards were randomised to: medical masks, cloth masks or a control group (usual practice, which included mask wearing). Participants used the mask on every shift for 4 consecutive weeks. Main outcome measure Clinical respiratory illness (CRI), influenza-like illness (ILI) and laboratory-confirmed respiratory virus infection. Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%. Conclusions This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated. Trial registration number Australian New Zealand Clinical Trials Registry: ACTRN12610000887077.
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                        • This is an EASY study! 30 asymptomatic carriers and 30 symptomatic carriers need to participate. Each of them breathes over multiple Petri dishes at 6”, 1 foot, 2 foot, 3 foot, and 6 foot with no facial covering. Repeat with surgical mask, cloth mask, and n95 mask. Repeat everything again with a cough. Measure the recovery of the virus in each instance and determine the amount recovered. 6 foot of social distancing is the control. How much less virus is recovered shows your effectiveness.
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                          • Originally posted by wufan View Post
                            Here’s a study before it became political. It’s not the end of the discussion, but an unbiased starting point:

                            Conclusions This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks

                            globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

                            https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577
                            If masks don't work, doctors should stop wearing them tomorrow.

                            That one was easy.

                            Next?

                            And save yourself the trouble of discussing concentrations of virus in healthcare settings. The virus is spread through droplets and aerosols. The off chance you walk into someone's "viral cloud" you'd be best served wearing a face covering. And for those infected and unknowingly shedding virus, a mask will contain, divert, minimize, or stifle velocity and/or viral load.

                            I could literally post hundreds of studies on disease transmission but I'm certain you are aware of them already.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...avirus-spread/

                            “Anecdotally, it appears that face-mask use is an important control against multiple modes of SARS-CoV-2 transmission,” including droplets and aerosols, said Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University.

                            He highlighted Asian countries such as South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam that had high rates of face-mask use early in the pandemic. They “have had better success squashing the virus and keeping their economies going,” Shaman said.

                            Werner Ernst Bischoff, a professor of infectious diseases at Wake Forest University known for his studies on respiratory transmission of viruses, said masks are critical because the simple act of breathing releases potentially infected particles. Loud talking, yelling and singing release even more.

                            “When you are going about in the course of normal activities like breathing, talking and singing, you expel these particles into the environment. You want to create a seal,” said Bischoff, who said he sees masks as the critical element in preventing transmission.
                            I mean, do you really need a triple-blind, peer reviewed, 10-year study for confirmation while we're in the middle of a pandemic, with multiple countries already crushed (or being crushed) and a PIVOTAL election right around the corner?

                            Don't be biased. Be logical and practical.

                            Wearing a mask is practical.

                            The benefit of stopping ONE transmission has positive consequences. We do not know who will be the next super-spreader. Maybe your mask will prevent you from infecting him/her before they go into the bar next weekend and share drinks and stories until 2:00AM.

                            In the end, maybe masks are ineffective in preventing disease and doctors just wear them to look more doctory. But let Occam's razor be your guide and stop sweating the small stuff. I have plenty of Chinese N95's if you need one. :)


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                            • Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post
                              The marginal benefit of wearing a mask in a public gathering massively exceeds the marginal cost. A Tyvek suit is exactly the opposite.
                              "Marginal benefit" indeed!

                              Do you realize there were 3 hospital admissions last week in Sedgwick County for coronavirus? And 1 discharge for a net of 2 sick people?

                              Three.

                              Drei.

                              Tres.

                              III.

                              Trois.

                              There are 516,000 people in Sedgwick County. 3 / 516,000 =0.0000058. Expressed as a percentage: 0.00058%.

                              Even expressed as a percent, that number is so close to zero my calculator spit out scientific numbers instead of just giving me the decimal number.

                              Marginal benefit is perhaps the understatement of the year. Well done!


                              Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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                              • https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coron...132702304.html

                                Our bars are packed every weekend. :(

                                I'm not happy with Trump's plans to have packed rallies.

                                I visited the Dentist recently. Mouth jacked open for half an hour. :/ But they were wearing masks so I was cool. Actually, the young girl had hers around her neck at first. She was like, "Can you remove your mask please?" I was like, "As soon as you put yours on sweetie..." She did not give AF. Some in here seem like they don't either. Weird.


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