Andrew Wiggins Class of 2013 to KU

[Dan]

you guys are crazy. Allegedly the best high school player since Lebron and you think we're better off without him? Please. Everyone would have been crowing form the rooftops had he picked WSU. We haven't even had a McD AA since the early 80's let alone the #1 recruit in the entire continent.

[Rlh04d]

Doesn't he have another brother that is only two hours away from Florida State?

Four to five, but yeah.

To be honest, I think he might have seriously considered Wichita State if Nick was a clear starter at the 2 next season. Nick's going to be fighting for playing time next season with Baker/Wessel/Cotton all clearly ahead of him at the 2/3, and Andrew would never have wanted to hurt his minutes.

I was wondering if he would have come to FSU if Nick was there (I actually learned that ACC rules prevent schools from taking JUCO players who went to multiple JUCOs in the two seasons prior to moving to D1, which explains why FSU never offered him), but I think the minutes thing would have hurt there, as well. Nick could be a starter at the 3 for FSU next year, but not if Andrew came, obviously. And Nick wouldn't start over Ian Miller at the 2.

As for the rest of this ... I really don't think ethics has as much place in college basketball recruiting as we'd like to pretend it does.

[The Mad Hatter]

I was curious about the post-season success rate of players ranked #1 by Rivals and Scout since the NBA changed it's entry rules in 2005. Here are the results:

2013
Rivals: Andrew Wiggins – KU (?)
Scout: Andrew Wiggins – KU (?)

2012
Rivals: Shabazz Muhammad – UCLA (NCAA – lost 1^st round)
Scout: Nerlens Noel – UK (NIT)

2011
Rivals: Austin Rivers – Duke (NCAA – lost 1^st round)
Scout: Anthony Davis – UK (NCAA – National Champs)

2010
Rivals: Josh Selby – KU (NCAA – Elite Eight)
Scout: Harrison Barnes – NC (NCAA – Elite Eight)

2009
Rivals: John Wall – UK (NCAA – Elite Eight)
Scout: Derrick Favors – Georgia Tech (NCAA – Round of 32)

2008
Rivals: B.J. Mullens – OSU (NCAA – lost in 1^st round)
Scout: Brandon Jennings – Overseas (NA)

2007
Rivals: Michael Beasley – KSU (NCAA – Round of 32)
Scout: O.J. Mayo – USC (NCAA – lost in 1^st round)

2006
Rivals: Greg Oden – OSU (NCAA – National Runner-Up)
Scout: Greg Oden – OSU (NCAA – National Runner-Up)

Results by Frequency:
NCAA - Lost in 1st round (4)
NCAA - Elite Eight (3)
NCAA - Round of 32 (2)
NCAA - National Champions (1)
NCAA - National Runner Up (1)
NIT (1)

In addition, I looked to see how many top 5 and top 10 freshman the national champion had for each of those recruiting classes.

2013 - Louisville

Top 5 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout
Top 10 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout

2012 - Kentucky

Top 5 - 3 Rivals, 1 Scout
Top 10 - 3 Rivals, 3 Scout

2011 - UCONN

Top 5 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout
Top 10 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout

2010 - Duke

Top 5 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout
Top 10 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout

2009 - North Carolina

Top 5 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout
Top 10 - 0 Rivals, 1 Scout

2008 - Kansas

Top 5 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout
Top 10 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout

2007 - Florida

Top 5 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout
Top 10 - 0 Rivals, 0 Scout

All but 1 national champion since 2007 has had 0 top 5 freshmen on their roster, and outside of UK in 2012 only UNC in 2009 had a top 10 freshman (who was #10 by Scout and outside of the top 10 by Rivals).

The 2012 Kentucky team is the only team to win the national championship with the #1 freshman in the nation or with any top 5 freshmen. On the other hand, Kentucky 2013 showed the boom or bust nature of UK's approach.

In other words, getting an Andrew Wiggins for 1 year is no surefire way to get a National Championship, since most National Champs since the NBA rule change have relied on developing veterans rather than on one and done freshmen.

[WSUwatcher]

It's easy to say that now but if it was a real possibility he would come here you'd change your mind. Cognitive dissonance is a *****.

I wouldn't be happy about it either, and you can take your psychobabble somewhere else -- maybe start up a chat with the other guys who like to pat themselves on the back for "keeping it real."

[_kai_]

I wouldn't be happy about it either, and you can take your psychobabble somewhere else -- maybe start up a chat with the other guys who like to pat themselves on the back for "keeping it real.".

The good thing though is that "real recognize real."

[WSUwatcher]

Very interesting study, Hatter. I'm guessing the folks who have Kentucky booked for next year's championship game and KU suddenly a Final Four contender haven't looked at it in such depth. And in fairness, there is 2012, which Kentucky has somehow actually exceeded this year in terms of talent signed -- can it all jell for them again?

[ripemupshocks]

Would anyone on this board care if we gave Wiggins' dad an assistant position in exchange for his son to play here? I wouldn't.

I would.

It's easy to say that now but if it was a real possibility he would come here you'd change your mind. Cognitive dissonance is a *****.

To believe you know my mind better than I do, would seem to indicate you are suffering from Delusions of Grandeur. You are arrogant, self-absorbed, and WRONG. By the way, which player should 3G kick off the team to make room for Wiggins? And which Assistant Coach should 3G fire to make room for Wiggins father? And how much damage would 3G be doing to his reputation and OUR basketball program by exhibiting such a high level of disloyalty to his players and assistant coaches? Issues I'm sure you don't give a damn about.

[1972Shocker]

OK, so KU signs the next coming of LeBron James to what was already a storng recruiting class.

That being the case will anything short of a National Championship, or at least a Final Four appearance, next year for KU be a failure?

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Being KU is a failure.

[Rhatigan]

Very interesting study, Hatter. I'm guessing the folks who have Kentucky booked for next year's championship game and KU suddenly a Final Four contender haven't looked at it in such depth. And in fairness, there is 2012, which Kentucky has somehow actually exceeded this year in terms of talent signed -- can it all jell for them again?

Are people really comparing him to LeBron? KU will be a Sweet 16 team.

[another shocker]

Are people really comparing him to LeBron? KU will be a Sweet 16 team.

lebron? i would compare him to high-school jordan. ku's best signing since manning in '83 or whatever year it was. no doubt.

you ku fans should be greatful to wichita state, in a big way. i don't think he signs with ku if not for nick being at wichita state. now their parents can catch their games easily at two great institutions within a single state.

[shock]

Being KU is a failure.

As a [insert any noun here] I can confirm this

[jdshock]

Sorry for bumping a four week old thread about a recruit we didn't get, but I this article mentions us. Wiggins confirms all the stuff we guessed at saying that if he goes to KU it might be because his brother is in Wichita.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=collegebasketballnation&id=85684&src=desktop

[jocoshock]

OK, so KU signs the next coming of LeBron James to what was already a storng recruiting class.

That being the case will anything short of a National Championship, or at least a Final Four appearance, next year for KU be a failure?

Assuming UK's greatest recruiting class of all time wins the National Championship, KU can get the FF and not be considered a failure. Elite 8 is absolute minimum... this all assumes they would not meet UK until the FF.

[Dave Stalwart]

Assuming UK's greatest recruiting class of all time wins the National Championship, KU can get the FF and not be considered a failure. Elite 8 is absolute minimum... this all assumes they would not meet UK until the FF.

I remember when UK had an awesome recruiting class that lost to Robert Morris in the NIT