'Cats will play in Wichita per ADJC

[SubGod22]

The ONLY way using IBA to recruit is to bring in bigger opponents. Using it to play Tulsa isn't going to impress a future player. Using it to play a Kentucky or Memphis or North Carolina or something would.

[ISASO]

Actually, teams that names start with B, or Mo Valley teams in general, have not been good to KU or for KU. However, sometimes they draw Valley Teams and have to face the music of the realities that manifest the message that sometimes you can run, but you can't always hide. Thus, we understand such logic of their trepidation. The Kit-Kats take notes so they won't be declawed and start shaking in their mittens as well. It's all good baby!!!!!!!

What was the last Valley team to go to a Final Four?

Indy state would be my guess, however I would argue if the MVC routinely received 4-5 bids a year that number would be different. As a KU fan you can agree that getting to final four takes a good team and some luck because once you get to a certain round everybody is good. How many years have really good KU teams gone out early?

You can rip the MVC all you want. Nobody is going to argue MVC on par with Texas Big Beeches league top to bottom. However it always seems to get lost that the top of the MVC is usually fairly strong and can compete quite well with the big boys. KU has been pretty dang solid last 5 years and MVC has given them all they want in the tourney, even the year KU beat SIU.

Cracks me up u come on here. I could't give a darn about Ku or ksu. Sucks they refuse to play but that's how it goes.

And it always come back to this: Bill Self told Marshall that there was no way he would ever play Winthrop while he was there. He continued to say that there was absolutely no way he would ever play WSU while Marshall was here.

F-E-A-R

[Veritas]

KU is one of only a few programs that should be competing for a Nat'l Championship every few years.

Unfortunately, KU doesn't always prepare well for the "Big Dance." In contrast, they play a cupcake OoC schedule, then play in an BCS/RPI biased league that helps their seeding, but does little to assist them when they play in a neutral gym against a fundamentally solid program with a chip on their shoulder (i.e. non-BCS programs). KU needs better preparation. Playing in Wichita or at AFH against the Shox makes perfect sense and cents!


KU OoC home schedule for 2010/11Washburn, Emporia State, Longwood, Valparaiso, North Texas, Texas A/M-Corpus Christi, UCLA, USC, UT-Arlington, Miami (Ohio), UMKC

KU OoC Neutral Site Schedule 2010/11
Ohio and Arizona (Las Vegas), Memphis (Madison Square Garden)

KU OoC Away Schedule 2010-/11
California (Berkley), Michigan (Ann Arbor)

KU In-Conf Schedule against preseason Top 25 competition **
K-State, missourah, Baylor

Hardly a tough schedule for a team that should be competing for a Nat'l Championship and has the luxury of easily building their schedule. In fact it is a rather weak schedule that does little for the KU team or KU fans.

There's no logical reason why KU and KSU shouldn't be playing the Shox this year. Win or lose, it would only help them be better prepared when the tournament starts.

** http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ked_no_23.html

[wu_shizzle]

The ONLY way using IBA to recruit is to bring in bigger opponents. Using it to play Tulsa isn't going to impress a future player. Using it to play a Kentucky or Memphis or North Carolina or something would.

You're not thinking like a recruit or recruiter.

We know how great the atmosphere is at Koch vs. the Qwest, but you better believe that Creighton is telling anyone who will listen that they play in front of 17,000+ in an NBA-style arena.

That sells.

[shockmonster]

The statement was made earlier that WSU has trouble selling out CKA. Hasn't CKA been sold out by season tickets already this year?

[ISASO]

The ticket office started working its way down the waiting list back in July.

[shockerfan]

The statement was made earlier that WSU has trouble selling out CKA. Hasn't CKA been sold out by season tickets already this year?

It's pretty close to selling out I believe. But we would have seen a huge article if it was to sell out pre-season again. I think I saw in an article at one time that they anticipated it COULD sell out before the season starts.

[Ta town]

I don't like concerts, minor league hockey, etc. So for me I would like to see the shox play there annually so I can enjoy the arena.

I did take my kid to the circus there last spring, we were there about 5 minutes and he looked at me and demanded to leave. Lol, I was more than willing.

I think a shock game there would be a great experience.

[SubGod22]

The ONLY way using IBA to recruit is to bring in bigger opponents. Using it to play Tulsa isn't going to impress a future player. Using it to play a Kentucky or Memphis or North Carolina or something would.

You're not thinking like a recruit or recruiter.

We know how great the atmosphere is at Koch vs. the Qwest, but you better believe that Creighton is telling anyone who will listen that they play in front of 17,000+ in an NBA-style arena.

That sells.

Again, playing Tulsa there isn't going to raise attendence to the point you can brag about it. Playing a Kentucky, Memphis or North Carolina type would.

Playing Tulsa there and upping attendence by a few hundered isn't going to sell a recruit. Even if we do end up selling a few thousand more tix it's not worth losing the home court advantage that CKA provides. That atmosphere is still better than the 17k CU plays in front of.

[Aargh]

I've got to support playing in IBA.

I was priced out of season tickets when Carr and Levingston were here.

Recent grads of WSU have trouble attending games because they are priced out. That's one of the most important parts of the fan base.

If you're not a student and you can't plop down about $400 in one chunk, you aren't allowed to see WSU play. Actually, you can, but not that many people want to go to CKA and take the chance that there will be some GA tickets available.

Playing in IBA gives a lot of people without season tickets a chance to see WSU play and that's important to keep the fan base strong.

[wu_shizzle]

The ONLY way using IBA to recruit is to bring in bigger opponents. Using it to play Tulsa isn't going to impress a future player. Using it to play a Kentucky or Memphis or North Carolina or something would.

You're not thinking like a recruit or recruiter.

We know how great the atmosphere is at Koch vs. the Qwest, but you better believe that Creighton is telling anyone who will listen that they play in front of 17,000+ in an NBA-style arena.

That sells.

Again, playing Tulsa there isn't going to raise attendence to the point you can brag about it. Playing a Kentucky, Memphis or North Carolina type would.

Playing Tulsa there and upping attendence by a few hundered isn't going to sell a recruit. Even if we do end up selling a few thousand more tix it's not worth losing the home court advantage that CKA provides. That atmosphere is still better than the 17k CU plays in front of.

I agree totally about atmosphere, but those things are way more important to us than a future recruit.

It's not about actual attendance is about potential and a large state of the art arena.

Why does KU play at the Sprint Center even though they have the atmosphere of Allen Fieldhouse? It gets them a good game on TV and gets them in an NBA style arena.

[AndShock]

I've got to support playing in IBA.

I was priced out of season tickets when Carr and Levingston were here.

Recent grads of WSU have trouble attending games because they are priced out. That's one of the most important parts of the fan base.

If you're not a student and you can't plop down about $400 in one chunk, you aren't allowed to see WSU play. Actually, you can, but not that many people want to go to CKA and take the chance that there will be some GA tickets available.

Playing in IBA gives a lot of people without season tickets a chance to see WSU play and that's important to keep the fan base strong.

How many games have there really been the past couple of years where it would've been impossible to get a ticket? Now with the Ticket Marketplace, it seems like there's at least a couple up there for every game. Maybe if we get to the point where it's impossible to get tickets I can see that argument, but for now I think we're fine.

[SubGod22]

The ONLY way using IBA to recruit is to bring in bigger opponents. Using it to play Tulsa isn't going to impress a future player. Using it to play a Kentucky or Memphis or North Carolina or something would.

You're not thinking like a recruit or recruiter.

We know how great the atmosphere is at Koch vs. the Qwest, but you better believe that Creighton is telling anyone who will listen that they play in front of 17,000+ in an NBA-style arena.

That sells.

Again, playing Tulsa there isn't going to raise attendence to the point you can brag about it. Playing a Kentucky, Memphis or North Carolina type would.

Playing Tulsa there and upping attendence by a few hundered isn't going to sell a recruit. Even if we do end up selling a few thousand more tix it's not worth losing the home court advantage that CKA provides. That atmosphere is still better than the 17k CU plays in front of.

I agree totally about atmosphere, but those things are way more important to us than a future recruit.

It's not about actual attendance is about potential and a large state of the art arena.

Why does KU play at the Sprint Center even though they have the atmosphere of Allen Fieldhouse? It gets them a good game on TV and gets them in an NBA style arena.

But Tulsa isn't going to be a big TV game. If you can't fill it or come really close I don't see the benefit.

[WuDrWu]

I have a thought on the Arena/tickets/attendance discussion that I have been pondering for a few years now.


It seems to me, and I don't claim to have studied the details, that sporting events have been pricing out the average fan for some time. The people in charge, seeing the glut of money available to them at the highest level and the corporate level, have continued to cater to the cash cow. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that....it is what it is.

But there are a more than a few, let's say people with the where with all, that could buy tickets but don't because they can't get good enough seats. They aren't going to sit in row 33 for instance. Ever.

But yet there is little effort to get a (for instance) younger, rowdier, less able to donate crowd in those seats and this isn't something unique to WSU basketball. And it's not just tickets.

A family of 4 going to a basketball game, in GA row 30, is going to drop close to $100. At a regular season OKC Thunder game, closer to $250. That's some serious coin for the average Joe.

Look, I know that we can't balance the athletic budget on $5 tickets and 10 cent hot dogs.

But sometimes less is more....and sometimes you can fleece too long....and the flock doesn't come back.

Just my .02.

[EAGLE]

AMEN!!!