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[forevershockerfan]

What ever happened to Billy Gillespe? His fit at A&M was solid and was quite a recruiter.

[WuDrWu]

What ever happened to Billy Gillespe? His fit at A&M was solid and was quite a recruiter.

Seriously?

[WuDrWu]

FSF, didn't mean to sound rude.

BG of course went to Kentucky where he was summarily run out of town after one (of several) indiscretions. He is not a smart man, imho.

[forevershockerfan]

No Problems with the good Doc. I was asking if BG ever got another job after Kentucky.

[ABC]

When did the #3 position shift from a small forward to a tall guard?

It seems that many moons ago, the #3 was a 6'6", 6'7" kind of players. Wasn't Larry Bird a "small forward" at 6'9"?

Any of you experts have thoughts or opinions on this? I'd really like to know when the frontline went from three players to two players, and why.

I'll hang up an listen.

[mattdalt]

When did the #3 position shift from a small forward to a tall guard?

It seems that many moons ago, the #3 was a 6'6", 6'7" kind of players. Wasn't Larry Bird a "small forward" at 6'9"?

Any of you experts have thoughts or opinions on this? I'd really like to know when the frontline went from three players to two players, and why.

I'll hang up an listen.

My guess would be to lack of quality big men available to fill those front court positions. I am guessing it is much easier to find quality 6-4 to 6-6 guys than quality 6-9+ guys

[shock]

When did the #3 position shift from a small forward to a tall guard?

It seems that many moons ago, the #3 was a 6'6", 6'7" kind of players. Wasn't Larry Bird a "small forward" at 6'9"?

Any of you experts have thoughts or opinions on this? I'd really like to know when the frontline went from three players to two players, and why.

I'll hang up an listen.

My guess would be to lack of quality big men available to fill those front court positions. I am guessing it is much easier to find quality 6-4 to 6-6 guys than quality 6-9+ guys

Probably also because of guards with the ability to slash to the basket like a forward, play D like a guard, and shoot the three like a guard. my guess is, they filled that three position with a guard that can play both as a forward and a guard because its a lot harder to match up a player with that ability.

[Snapshot9]

We don't really have a 'go to' player. Hannah shot the best this year, and was the only 'go to' man we had for a basket. Hatch was pretty good, but could be better. I see him sitting 2nd chair in shooting.

Murry was not as reliable as a shooter this year as last year. His shot is still flat which causes for many shots to bounce out. Ellis has a pretty shot, but it just wasn't falling much this year. Kyles shows flashes, but flashes are all there is. He needs to be more consistent and stayed involved more on offense. Blair is a good solid player, and he can score around the basket. He gives us some strength coming off the bench.

I am hoping that Richardson can work into being a 'go to' man. I see him subbing in for Hatch next season, and being a scoring threat, especially on wing shots. I am not quite sure where Hamilton will fit in. If he has some offense and good defense and rebounding, he could take some minutes away from Ellis.

I don't see Orukpe getting many minutes, only when Durley or Stutz are in foul trouble.

As a whole, the team needs to improve on finishing shots better It sure seemed like Neveda finished their shots well. We have good players, but no great players (Hannah was the closest we had to that).

Look for the team free throw percentage to drop some next year, but I was proud of them this year for being decent from the line. (thanks mostly to Hannah).

[HockeyShock]

We don't really have a 'go to' player. Hannah shot the best this year, and was the only 'go to' man we had for a basket. Hatch was pretty good, but could be better. I see him sitting 2nd chair in shooting.

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I don't see Orukpe getting many minutes, only when Durley or Stutz are in foul trouble.

No, Orukpe will get minutes. In the front half of the season they'll play a lot of different looks at the 4 and 5 to find out who can do what. My guess is that they will ultimately use him in a (surprise, surprise) defensive specialist role, when the other team's 4 or 5 is getting the better of Garrett/JT/Gabe. Garrett and Ehimen's skill sets are so different that it's a wrinkle that Coach will be able to throw in whenever he sees the need. Coach already demonstrated that he'll go offense/defense near the end of halves with Garrett and Aaron at the 5, I see no reason why Ehimen won't be used liberally in that regard.

That's about as much prognostication as I feel comfortable to make. Everything else depends on the mindset and work ethic of the individual players. We all agree that Aaron has talent and ethic but he doesn't have the low-post-take-no-prisoners mindset he needs to be successful at the 4. We all know Toure has the mindset and a work ethic on defense, but will he be willing to work on getting his stroke again? Will 'Mete work on bulking up? Will Garrett do box jumps? Will Graham will himself to grow six inches in the offseason and become the second coming of Larry Bird? We don't know and we won't until November.

Still, given the talent we've seen, think about this lineup for when we absolutely, positively NEED a stop:

PG: Manigault
SG: Murry
SF: Hatch (perhaps Hamilton against a particularly athletic 3, or maybe just switching positions with Murry)
PF: Ellis
C: Ehimen

Yeah, that makes me smile.

:clap: :wsu_posters: :yahoo: :clap:

[shock]

We don't really have a 'go to' player. Hannah shot the best this year, and was the only 'go to' man we had for a basket. Hatch was pretty good, but could be better. I see him sitting 2nd chair in shooting.

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I don't see Orukpe getting many minutes, only when Durley or Stutz are in foul trouble.

No, Orukpe will get minutes. In the front half of the season they'll play a lot of different looks at the 4 and 5 to find out who can do what. My guess is that they will ultimately use him in a (surprise, surprise) defensive specialist role, when the other team's 4 or 5 is getting the better of Garrett/JT/Gabe. Garrett and Ehimen's skill sets are so different that it's a wrinkle that Coach will be able to throw in whenever he sees the need. Coach already demonstrated that he'll go offense/defense near the end of halves with Garrett and Aaron at the 5, I see no reason why Ehimen won't be used liberally in that regard.

That's about as much prognostication as I feel comfortable to make. Everything else depends on the mindset and work ethic of the individual players. We all agree that Aaron has talent and ethic but he doesn't have the low-post-take-no-prisoners mindset he needs to be successful at the 4. We all know Toure has the mindset and a work ethic on defense, but will he be willing to work on getting his stroke again? Will 'Mete work on bulking up? Will Garrett do box jumps? Will Graham will himself to grow six inches in the offseason and become the second coming of Larry Bird? We don't know and we won't until November.

Still, given the talent we've seen, think about this lineup for when we absolutely, positively NEED a stop:

PG: Manigault
SG: Murry
SF: Hatch (perhaps Hamilton against a particularly athletic 3, or maybe just switching positions with Murry)
PF: Ellis
C: Ehimen

Yeah, that makes me smile.

:clap: :wsu_posters: :yahoo: :clap:

KM won't get to play much, even if he doesn't leave. he's too raw. pt guard is still open, and will probably go to a juco transfer or DWill. Kenny will take a back seat for a while because DK will be a super star. defensively, DK is growing and taking great strides. he will probably end up as our go to guy. i foresee starting JT as a forward and GS as a center. IMO, the starting five will look like this.

PG: Toss-up (Juco/DWill)
G: Graham
G: TM
F/C: JT
C: GS

6th man: DK, GB, EO depending on the game and foul situation
As far as stopping power, DWill, TM, DK, AE, GS.

[Steeleshocker]

We don't really have a 'go to' player. Hannah shot the best this year, and was the only 'go to' man we had for a basket. Hatch was pretty good, but could be better. I see him sitting 2nd chair in shooting.

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I don't see Orukpe getting many minutes, only when Durley or Stutz are in foul trouble.

No, Orukpe will get minutes. In the front half of the season they'll play a lot of different looks at the 4 and 5 to find out who can do what. My guess is that they will ultimately use him in a (surprise, surprise) defensive specialist role, when the other team's 4 or 5 is getting the better of Garrett/JT/Gabe. Garrett and Ehimen's skill sets are so different that it's a wrinkle that Coach will be able to throw in whenever he sees the need. Coach already demonstrated that he'll go offense/defense near the end of halves with Garrett and Aaron at the 5, I see no reason why Ehimen won't be used liberally in that regard.

That's about as much prognostication as I feel comfortable to make. Everything else depends on the mindset and work ethic of the individual players. We all agree that Aaron has talent and ethic but he doesn't have the low-post-take-no-prisoners mindset he needs to be successful at the 4. We all know Toure has the mindset and a work ethic on defense, but will he be willing to work on getting his stroke again? Will 'Mete work on bulking up? Will Garrett do box jumps? Will Graham will himself to grow six inches in the offseason and become the second coming of Larry Bird? We don't know and we won't until November.

Still, given the talent we've seen, think about this lineup for when we absolutely, positively NEED a stop:

PG: Manigault
SG: Murry
SF: Hatch (perhaps Hamilton against a particularly athletic 3, or maybe just switching positions with Murry)
PF: Ellis
C: Ehimen

Yeah, that makes me smile.

:clap: :wsu_posters: :yahoo: :clap:

KM won't get to play much, even if he doesn't leave. he's too raw. pt guard is still open, and will probably go to a juco transfer or DWill. Kenny will take a back seat for a while because DK will be a super star. defensively, DK is growing and taking great strides. he will probably end up as our go to guy. i foresee starting JT as a forward and GS as a center. IMO, the starting five will look like this.

PG: Toss-up (Juco/DWill)
G: Graham
G: TM
F/C: JT
C: GS

6th man: DK, GB, EO depending on the game and foul situation
As far as stopping power, DWill, TM, DK, AE, GS.

That wasn't his starting lineup, that was his team for when we need a defensive stop. And, IMO, a very scary defensive team.

But I would like to propose Dwill for that team as well, maybe to sub in for Hatch. DW had very good on ball defense as the season wore on. Particularly against a guard that CH had trouble containing.

[Aargh]

I'm about a page late on responding to the question about wings becoming tall guards, instead of true forwards.

I'm only guessing, but I bet it had something to do with the 3-point line coming into play. Additional firepower from the 3-point line suddenly gave tall guards that could shoot an advantage over taller guys who didn't have the same shooting range.

6'4" guys also tend to be quicker than 6'8" guys, so a tall guard created defensive problems for a taller forward, so other teams had to adjust to the quickness.

Now everyone's looking for a quick 6'7" guy who can guard smaller players and can nail 3's. Those guys are pretty rare and the NBA is looking for them too.

[forevershockerfan]

Probable starting lineup next Season

1. DWill--PG 2.Toure' SG 3. Hatch--SF 4. Stutz--C 5. JT--PF

2nd Team

1. Juco PG that can split 20-minutes with DWill and never skip a beat 2. DK-SG 3. Juco SF? I would like to sign one if we find room that is a big scorer and lights out shooter--so good, he might beat out Hatch or split 20-20. 4. Gabe PF--he might just start some games 5. AE and EO split this role.

[wufan]

Agree, except that Stutz at the 5 and Durley at the 4. Murry plays some SF with Kyles in the line-up. Hopefully Richardson can play the SF as well, but he or EO become the 11th man. Hamilton is the 12th, and hopefully KM can RS.

[BOBB]

I predict that most of those that did not play at all will play sparingly, some of those that played often will play less and some of those that played little will play more. Beyond that, I leave it to the Fates.