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Originally posted by bleed yellow View PostI was disappointed in UNI after they beat KU in the tournament.. They seemed to be out to prove they were a tough team in the MVC before and a little after that year, then it all dissolved by the time Creighton left. The last 4 years they were about as quality competition as ISU red.
2004 (auto bid)
2005 (barely an at-large)
2006 (slightly solid at-large)
2009 (auto bid)
2010 (auto bid that was likely at-large quality)
2015 (auto bid that was solid at-large)
2016 (auto bid)
Notice the pattern in timing.78-65
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Many BCS programs would kill for this short-term history. In fact, didn't Coach Marshall recently say something about the level of bad basketball played at many BCS programs.
Not saying WSU should aspire to this level, but it really ain't bad, considering...
(replying to WuShock16 from above, it's been awhile since posting...)
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Originally posted by vbird53 View PostMany BCS programs would kill for this short-term history. In fact, didn't Coach Marshall recently say something about the level of bad basketball played at many BCS programs.
Not saying WSU should aspire to this level, but it really ain't bad, considering...
(replying to WuShock16 from above, it's been awhile since posting...)
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Originally posted by vbird53 View PostMany BCS programs would kill for this short-term history. In fact, didn't Coach Marshall recently say something about the level of bad basketball played at many BCS programs.
Not saying WSU should aspire to this level, but it really ain't bad, considering...
(replying to WuShock16 from above, it's been awhile since posting...)
There is a very small list of P-5 schools that get to the dance that regularly. Many P-5's would love to get there every three or four years. When your program goes every year, you might lose sight of just how difficult it is, or how well UNI has actually done.There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.
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Originally posted by WuShock16 View PostAs much as 11 (or any odd number for that matter) would be fine for men's basketball, an odd number would be a logistical nightmare for volleyball and women's basketball, both sports relying upon travel partners for scheduling. That's why they'll either come back to 10 or eventually go to 12.Wichita State, home of the All-Americans.
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Originally posted by BOBB View PostI had to look this up, because I never understood what a travel partner was. So for those, like me, that don't understand it. UCONN volleyball can fly into Wichita play a match, bus to Tulsa, then fly out. So Wichita and Tulsa would travel at the same time, giving the opponents opportunities to consolidate travel. Given the rising cost of hotel space and the decreasing cost of-albeit increasingly frustrating-air travel, I'm not sure how much of a win this is economically. Certainly less disruptive to the players as a bus can take them directly from point A to point B.
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Originally posted by SHOCKvalue View PostValpo's house:
Makes LOLoyola's place seem like the Taj Mahal.
Valpo spends just under $14M on their sports, which (although I don't have the most recent numbers right in front of me) puts them well into the running for poorest athletic department in the Valley of Dearth.
Such a Valley move; to obscurity and beyond, as a more depressed Buzz Lightyear might say.
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Originally posted by WSUwatcher View PostThe Valley remnant may have reached the point of trying to stay ahead of other leagues (e.g., the Horizon, the Ohio Valley, etc.) by hoping to scoop up one of their more successful teams and thus not only maintaining or strengthening the MVC but also weakening the other. Ouch.
For example, WSU was a school that elevated the MVC. But WSU was on a level worthy of an AAC invite and got it. Gonzaga could also elevate the MVC, but geography among other things, makes that impossible. Dayton and VCU could have elevated the MVC, but the A10 is a more desirable place, so they aren't going anywhere. All of the opportunities to strengthen the MVC are pretty much gone. The new goal has to be that they accept the fall in conference strength, but do their best to make sure they don't fall PAST the other conferences nearby. Only way to do that is poach those conferences...
I don't think there are any schools that the MVC could realistically get that could actually elevate the conference anymore. The best they can do is create as much seperation as possible between the current MVC and the closest nearby conferences behind the MVC. The MVC can't reach the A10 or MWC, so all it can do is poach schools from below...but even the best schools from below are schools like Valpo. That's the best get you can do if you are the MVC. It doesn't strengthen the MVC at all, but it does help create separation from the lower half of D-1 basketball because it hopefully causes those other conferences to fall further down at the same rate as you.
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Originally posted by bleed yellow View PostI was disappointed in UNI after they beat KU in the tournament.. They seemed to be out to prove they were a tough team in the MVC before and a little after that year, then it all dissolved by the time Creighton left. The last 4 years they were about as quality competition as ISU red.Livin the dream
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