Which Shockers should be 1st, or 2nd All-MVC

[1972Shocker]

Jacobson for COY, kept hearing about the last 0-5 start to a winning record in the league was in the 20s, plus they'll beat the turds Saturday.

If UNI beats Illinois State on Saturday I can live with that.

Hopefully, the RPI ramificantions would not be too significant with a UNI win.

[ShockerPrez]

Muller will get COY. Because going 17-1 and not being at WSU is rare.

[CBB_Fan]

COY: Muller. Just like Lebron doesn't win PoY in the NBA every year, CoY in the Valley is usually going to go to the best non-Marshall coach.

NCOY: Alize Johnson. He's averaging a near 15 PPG double-double, which puts him over Landry's 11/3/3.

FOY: Landry Shamet. This should be fairly obvious I would think.

6MOY: Rauno Nurger. Award will go to top of Wichita's bench.

DPOY: Paris Lee. Acknowledgement of steals (Zach Brown deserves but will not get).

1st Team:
Paris Lee: Pivotal player on a shallow 17-1 team.
Landry Shamet: Most consistent player on a 17-1 team.
Jeremy Morgan: Most vital player in conference on a mediocre team.
Deontae Hawkins: Averaging more PPG than McDuffie on a 17-1 team (thanks to a smaller bench)
Alize Johnson: Double-Double.

2nd Team:
Milton Doyle: Probably more deserving than Johnson but would make too many guards on 1st team
Conner Frankamp: For last half of of conference play
McIntosh: 3rd player on 8-man 17-1 team
Markis McDuffie: Odd man out of the 1st team.
Sean O'Brien: SIU's odd man

HM:
Mike Rodriguez
Aundre Jackson
Jaylon Brown
Zach Brown
Darryl Willis
Shaq Morris

[WheatShock]

If UNI beats Illinois State on Saturday I can live with that.

Hopefully, the RPI ramificantions would not be too significant with a UNI win.

The RPI Wizard predicts 29 if ISUr wins out and 33 if they lose to UNI. We can live with that.

[Horn28Clem30]

Just no for Jeremy Morgan as POY.

I couldn't agree more. It needs to be Lee or Landry, no others really can compete imo

[1972Shocker]

DPOY: Paris Lee. Acknowledgement of steals (Zach Brown deserves but will not get).

I don't think you picked a POY. If Paris Lee wins the POY then the chances of him also winning the DPOY award diminsish greatly. Hopefully, Zach gets his just desserts.

[CBB_Fan]

I don't think you picked a POY. If Paris Lee wins the POY then the chances of him also winning the DPOY award diminsish greatly. Hopefully, Zach gets his just desserts.

I didn't pick a POY, because I wasn't certain on it. I think Wichita's best candidate would be McDuffie and Illinois State's best would be Lee but neither is a clear choice, especially as Landry has arguably been more consistent in conference than McDuffie. The only other choice in the conference is Morgan and I'd hate to see a player from mediocre team get the award with the huge gap between 1-2 and 3+.

I could see Lee getting POY and Zach Brown getting DPOY. But I have a bad feeling that Lee, Shamet, and McDuffie will split votes and somehow Morgan will get the award. Neither Lee nor Shamet have dominate statlines that would lock it up, though I feel this should be a "best player on the best team" year that is difficult with two 17-1 teams.

[1972Shocker]

I didn't pick a POY, because I wasn't certain on it. I think Wichita's best candidate would be McDuffie and Illinois State's best would be Lee but neither is a clear choice, especially as Landry has arguably been more consistent in conference than McDuffie. The only other choice in the conference is Morgan and I'd hate to see a player from mediocre team get the award with the huge gap between 1-2 and 3+.

I could see Lee getting POY and Zach Brown getting DPOY. But I have a bad feeling that Lee, Shamet, and McDuffie will split votes and somehow Morgan will get the award. Neither Lee nor Shamet have dominate statlines that would lock it up, though I feel this should be a "best player on the best team" year that is difficult with two 17-1 teams.

I'm kind of in the same boat regarding a POY. I agree it should be the MVP from either WSU or ILS. IMHO that means either Paris Lee or Landry Shamet. If one team wins the championship outright then the MVP from that team should get it. If Landy Shamet wins that award then Paris Lee could get the DPOY as a consolation prize, although, like you, I think Zach Brown deserves that award.

If the Shocks and Redbirds end up in a 1st place tie I think Paris Lee will win the POY award primarily because he is a Senior and Landy is a Freshman. Shouldn't make any difference but typically it does. The younger guy will have his day. Could someone else, like Jeremy Morgan or Alize Johnson slip in an win the POY. Well, yes, it is the Valley after all.

[Aargh]

PoY goes to a senior almost exclusively. Sometimes there's a Jr who clearly deserves it, but it goes to a Sr because the Jr can still get it the next year.

It takes a player like McDermott to challenge that, and there isn't one of those in the league this year.

[im4wsu]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this, but I was looking at True Shooting percentages (kenPom) and no Shocker qualifies for the top 100 spots because they are below 62.5% or have not played 24 minutes per game. But if you insert our Shockers conference game only percentages they would rank as follows:
#9 Shamet .697
#11 Keyser .691
#21 Nurger .666 (44th in all games)
#26 Frankamp ,661
#65 McDuffie .637
#69 Reaves .635 (18th in all games)


Fifteen teams have two on the list, Ark St; Creighton; Iowa St; Notre Dame; Ohio; St. Joseph's; South Carolina State; Texas Southern; UCLA; UNC Asheville; USC; UTArlington; Vermont; Wake Forest

One has three; Central Michigan.

[jdshock]

PoY goes to a senior almost exclusively. Sometimes there's a Jr who clearly deserves it, but it goes to a Sr because the Jr can still get it the next year.

It takes a player like McDermott to challenge that, and there isn't one of those in the league this year.

When you say a player like McDermott, do you just mean puts up loads of points? Or talent level?

Fred got it as a sophomore. While I'd take Fred with my first draft pick over Dougie every day of the week and twice on Sunday, I'm not sure his statline as a sophomore was significantly better than what Landry is putting up this year.

[1972Shocker]

PoY goes to a senior almost exclusively. Sometimes there's a Jr who clearly deserves it, but it goes to a Sr because the Jr can still get it the next year.

It takes a player like McDermott or Van Vleet to challenge that, and there isn't one of those in the league this year.

FIFY

[Stickboy46]

PoY goes to a senior almost exclusively. Sometimes there's a Jr who clearly deserves it, but it goes to a Sr because the Jr can still get it the next year.

It takes a player like McDermott to challenge that, and there isn't one of those in the league this year.

Fred won it as a sophomore

[WheatShock]

They should rename it the "Senior of the Year" the way it goes in this conference. An underclassman has to be head and shoulders above the senior class to win POY.

[top20shock]

Marshall is hands down the best coach in the Valley. Jacobsen is second, Muller is third but only because he can recruit. He's not a great tactician.