Which Shockers should be 1st, or 2nd All-MVC

[im4wsu]

Which Shockers should be 1st, or 2nd All-MVC

[lmor1971]

All of them...LOL

[ShockdaWorld]

All of them...LOL

Beat me to it.

[Stickboy46]

All of them...LOL

Let's not be ridiculous ..


you can't fit all 11 on the 1st and 2nd teams!

[ShockerPrez]

Shamet, MM 2nd team

Shaq Honorable mention.

[im4wsu]

Using basketball-state statistics, ranking the players in each of the categories and totaling those rankings, here are the top 25 MVC players who have played 300+ minutes:

		G	MIN	Pts40	USG%	TS%	eFG%	Eff	FTA40	FTRate	Reb40	REB%	Ast40	AST%	TO40	TOV%	Tot Rk
Markis McDuffie	WICH	29	731	12	22	11	22	11	9	10	16	15	30	35	46	25	264
Alize Johnson	MOST	29	348	9	12	19	16	3	11	19	1	1	38	38	67	42	276
Aundre Jackson	LOYO	30	842	1	7	1	1	7	10	18	22	27	55	50	58	29	286
Jaylon Brown	EVAN	29	895	3	4	15	40	1	4	13	45	49	23	14	54	22	287
Jeremy Morgan	UNI	26	1060	15	9	30	43	2	14	28	26	26	29	12	50	30	314
Darral Willis	WICH	29	412	2	3	17	24	25	2	9	3	3	62	64	74	37	325
Deontae Hawkins	ILST	28	946	5	8	21	14	8	52	66	11	9	54	49	31	7	335
Milton Doyle	LOYO	30	594	10	5	25	36	4	13	31	31	39	5	4	77	58	338
Phil Fayne	ILST	28	354	28	46	14	6	23	15	12	12	11	78	79	9	8	341
Donte Ingram	LOYO	27	670	18	36	4	3	5	50	50	17	21	57	60	13	13	347
Landry Shamet	WICH	29	546	17	48	6	7	15	47	53	61	60	7	7	11	10	349
Reed Timmer	DRKE	28	495	6	10	24	44	10	8	22	55	53	40	37	38	16	363
Shaquille Morris	WICH	27	957	7	11	31	33	29	20	42	5	5	49	51	61	26	370
Ronnie Rousseau	MOST	14	496	16	23	16	20	21	29	40	71	70	13	10	32	23	384
MiKyle McIntosh	ILST	23	721	11	6	36	51	20	6	15	18	17	33	32	79	61	385
Brenton Scott	INST	28	522	8	2	63	62	12	16	46	42	32	34	31	33	6	387
Zach Brown	WICH	29	314	26	37	40	47	32	18	21	40	37	22	34	18	17	389
Bennett Koch	UNI	26	921	4	1	5	11	28	1	5	24	25	76	74	80	74	408
Everett Clemons	INST	28	511	60	66	18	26	9	35	17	30	24	2	2	51	69	409
Austin Reaves	WICH	26	573	35	70	2	2	49	39	30	41	38	15	25	24	43	413
Obediah Church	MOST	27	674	68	79	9	4	24	25	3	14	16	41	46	25	62	416
Rauno Nurger	WICH	29	351	36	68	3	5	51	30	16	23	22	45	57	26	35	417
Paris Lee	ILST	28	716	19	17	23	25	6	40	51	51	47	1	1	75	65	421
Mike Rodriguez	SIU	29	777	23	20	51	76	14	5	6	75	76	8	5	44	27	430
Ryan Taylor	EVAN	29	376	13	14	26	29	13	41	58	65	68	48	40	12	4	431

[Signman]

Which Shockers should be 1st, or 2nd All-MVC

1st team
Landry Shamet - POY, FOY, NCOY
Markis McDuffie
Paris Lee
Milton Doyle
Jeremy Morgan

2nd team
Conner Frankamp
Shaq Morris
Deontae Hawkins
Zach Brown, DPOY
Alize Johnson

HM
Mikyle McIntosh
Mike Rodriguez
Aundre Jackson
Brenton Scott
Jaylon Brown
Rashard Kelly
Darral Willis
and whoever else you want.

Gregg Marshall COY
Greg Heiar Asst Coy
Chris Jans Asst COY
and the rest of WSU staff should get some awards

[1972Shocker]

Landry Shamet - 1st team
Markis McDuffie - 2nd team
Shaq Morris and Conner Frankamp - Honorable Mention

All-Defensive Team: Zach Brown, Markis McDuffie and Rashard Kelly
Defensive Player of the Year: Zach Brown

Freshman of the Year: Landy Shamet

Coach of the Year: Gregg Marshall

Pretty sure we won't get 3 players on the All-Defensive Team. May not get 2. Also doubt that 3G will get coach of the year even though the Shocks were the only team to lose 2 NBA players from last year. If Illinois State and the Shocks tie for the Valley regular season title my guess is Dirty Dan will be the man for the Valley voters.

[shocks02]

Landry, Conner, Shaq and Markis all deserve to be on the 1st or 2nd team in my opinion. It probably won't happen because the league likes to spread the love but with the way we've dominated teams I think they're more than deserving.

[1972Shocker]

The Valley is kind of weird this year. Quite a few good players spread around the league but only two good teams.

The ultimate team is the Shockers and that will tend to hurt them when it comes down to individual awards in a league that 1) doesn't like them, 2) likes to share the wealth and spread post-season honors around as much as possible and 3) where most voters' research and thought probably begins and ends with looking at a list of the leading scorers (and maybe rebounders) on a per game basis.

[1972Shocker]

I think Alize Johnson at MSU will win Newcomer of the Year and that would be hard to argue with.

Surely Landry will be the Freshman of the Year and Zach Brown will be Defensive Player of the Year.

Player of the Year? No clear cut choice there. Paris Lee, Landry Shamet, Jeremy Morgan, Alize Johnson, Milton Doyle and Jaylon Brown could all draw some support.

In Valley play Paris Lee has a 1.8 assist to turnover ratio. Landry's is 3.5 (the only one over a 3 to 1 ratio in Valley play). Unfortunately, probably not something the voters will value very highly.

[1972Shocker]

All of them...LOL

All of them are on the best team which in a way makes them all on the 1st team.

[Aargh]

I just have to question any rating system that puts Willis ahead of Hawkins, Doyle, and Shamet. Willis puts up ridiculous stats when he plays, but so does the guy he's guarding.

[wufan]

I think Alize Johnson at MSU will win Newcomer of the Year and that would be hard to argue with.

Surely Landry will be the Freshman of the Year and Zach Brown will be Defensive Player of the Year.

Player of the Year? No clear cut choice there. Paris Lee, Landry Shamet, Jeremy Morgan, Alize Johnson, Milton Doyle and Jaylon Brown could all draw some support.

In Valley play Paris Lee has a 1.8 assist to turnover ratio. Landry's is 3.5 (the only one over a 3 to 1 ratio in Valley play). Unfortunately, probably not something the voters will value very highly.

I think that Shamet is clearly FOY. Only competition is Brown at Bradley. Lots of potential DPOYs. Zach, Lee, Wills, Church, Bol, Morgan.

POY is probably going to be Paris Lee, and there's really good argument for that. He's going to be tough to beat out.

[ShockTalk]

Unfortunately, MVP equates to "who could you least afford to loose". When your team is 10-11 deep with quality players with a good number of key players, you lose a lot less than teams who struggle to have a 7 man rotation with 1-3 key players.

How good, or bad, would different Valley teams be if that key player went down. Doyle for Loyola, Paris for ILS, Johnson for MSU, and so on.

What if WSU didn't have Shamet? Would they be as good? No, but how much that would hurt the team with Frankamp, Smith, Reaves, and Keyser. I would say not nearly as much as the other examples I gave.

If you took the MVP off each team in the Valley and played an 18 game schedule, what do you think would happen? You think the Valley standing are lopsided sided now!