2016-17 Bracketology

[shocks02]

Lol! He dropped us from the his arithmetic altogether!

The guy truely is irrational towards WSU. It's personal, somehow.

Pitt, Arkansas and Ole Miss? You have to be kidding....

Pitt is 3-9 in the ACC. Ole Miss is 6-6 in the tough and rugged SEC. Wow, I'm starting to think he does it just to spite us.

[ShockerPrez]

KU would be fun, but Id rather get paired with KSU.

[top20shock]

I find it hard to believe Marshall himselbeing a great coach doesn't factor into the thinking of the committee. They wouldn't admit it but...

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

MSU was 20-8 on selection Sunday.

2017 WSU, 1-5 vs top 100, undefeated vs the rest
vs
2006 MSU, 7-9 vs top 100, undefeated vs the rest

In that case, I'd take MSU. WSU at 28-5 would indeed by gaudy, but the schedule is just SO. MUCH. WEAKER.

[SHOCKvalue]

As fun as it is to listen to Lunardi and hate on Palm, just want to remind everyone that the bracket matrix is the place to go to see where WSU is and who their competition is.

It averages out 80+ bracketologists so one bad egg isn't important, and updates often. Shockers are currently the last 10 seed.

http://bracketmatrix.com/

The bracketmatrix is great, but the quality of the data isn't so much.

Your neighbor could start posting a bracket regularly throughout the season, let the guy who runs the BM site know about it, and he'd be added to the list. I'm pretty sure we have a regular, average guy poster on SN who is included in the bracketmatrix, although I can't specifically remember who it is right at the moment.

Nonetheless, BM is certainly better than nothing. My point I guess is that it's still nice to be on the bracket for guys who are in the public eye.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Pitt, Arkansas and Ole Miss? You have to be kidding....

Pitt is 3-9 in the ACC. Ole Miss is 6-6 in the tough and rugged SEC. Wow, I'm starting to think he does it just to spite us.

Putting Pitt in the mix is insane.

I'm now really hoping Pitt finishes strong. If they fall off, Jerry will have an excuse for them missing out. I want them to win a bunch more AND STILL miss out.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

The bracketmatrix is great, but the quality of the data isn't so much.

Your neighbor could start posting a bracket regularly throughout the season, let the guy who runs the BM site know about it, and he'd be added to the list. I'm pretty sure we have a regular, average guy poster on SN who is included in the bracketmatrix, although I can't specifically remember who it is right at the moment.

Nonetheless, BM is certainly better than nothing. My point I guess is that it's still nice to be on the bracket for guys who are in the public eye.

I agree it would be nice, for publicity's sake, for Lunardi and Palm to be high on the Shox. With that said, the bracket matrix average (yes, it is largely a bunch of dummies like me), but the average has consistently been better than pretty much any single bracketologist, and definitely better than Lunardi or Palm by themselves. In a given year, a few random guys will beat the matrix average, but the next year they won't do so hot, while the matrix will once again be near the top. It is consistently very close to the top year-in-year-out.


If you just want to research for yourself, the bracketmatrix is absolutely the best place to visit.

[SHOCKvalue]

I agree it would be nice, for publicity's sake, for Lunardi and Palm to be high on the Shox. With that said, the bracket matrix average (yes, it is largely a bunch of dummies like me), but the average has consistently been nearly as accurate as any single bracketologists, and definitely better than Lunardi or Palm by themselves.

If you just want to research for yourself, the bracketmatrix is absolutely the best place to visit.

Is it you? I thought I remembered it being a less active poster.

And I certainly agree otherwise. Just like Massey takes any and all comers, it's still a useful clearinghouse of data.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Is it you? I thought I remembered it being a less active poster.

I was on it for about 4-5 years. Haven't kept up with full brackets in recent years.

(Was just saying yes, it is goobers LIKE me.)

[ShockCrazy]

2017 WSU, 1-5 vs top 100, undefeated vs the rest
vs
2006 MSU, 7-9 vs top 100, undefeated vs the rest

In that case, I'd take MSU. WSU at 28-5 would indeed by gaudy, but the schedule is just SO. MUCH. WEAKER.

Weaker, but hey don't be Jerry :P We will at minimum be 2-5 against the top 100(CSU will get there). Also I'm not gonna sleep on UNI doing UNI things and squeaking in the top 100. 2-5 isn't great, but 4-5 if we get there(longshot) would put us well ahead. Also selection Sunday MSU was 5-8, that 7-9 includes their 2-1 showing in the NIT.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Yeah @ShockCrazy:, we are both making stat mistakes now. Time to get out of 2006!!

I ultimately agree though. 28-5 WSU would be an epic snub. That's why I'm confident 28-5 would get a bid.

Go Shox!

[ShockCrazy]

Yeah @ShockCrazy:, we are both making stat mistakes now. Time to get out of 2006!!

I ultimately agree though. 28-5 WSU would be an epic snub. That's why I'm confident 28-5 would get a bid.

Go Shox!

Agreed ultimately the debate is between what is worse in two monumentally, disastrous scenarios. Also, with advanced metrics continued popularity growth, I'm not sure MSU would happen again today. I feel very confident a 29-5 WSU is in the tournament. Now I'm not convinced we wouldn't get sent to Dayton again though.

[Cdizzle]

Weaker, but hey don't be Jerry :P We will at minimum be 2-5 against the top 100(CSU will get there). Also I'm not gonna sleep on UNI doing UNI things and squeaking in the top 100. 2-5 isn't great, but 4-5 if we get there(longshot) would put us well ahead. Also selection Sunday MSU was 5-8, that 7-9 includes their 2-1 showing in the NIT.

I don't think there is a scenario where UNI ends up in the Top 100 and WSU is still on the bubble. Either we will have lost to them at least once, or we'll be 3-0 against them and the auto-bid.

[ROOT ANGRY!]

Pitt, Arkansas and Ole Miss? You have to be kidding....

Pitt is 3-9 in the ACC. Ole Miss is 6-6 in the tough and rugged SEC. Wow, I'm starting to think he does it just to spite us.

You have to include Arkansas after their quality loss to Missouri

[ShockCrazy]

I don't think there is a scenario where UNI ends up in the Top 100 and WSU is still on the bubble. Either we will have lost to them at least once, or we'll be 3-0 against them and the auto-bid.

Actually worked through it on RPI forecast, UNI winning out with the exception of our game, and losing to ISUr on Saturday puts them around 105. Definitely in the fringe of being 100. If we lost to them on Sunday, they are definitely top 100. Now there is an interesting debate as to whether 3-1 versus a 50-100 RPI teams is better than 1-0, I'm not sure.