2016-17 Bracketology

[Shockers5150]

7 if we win st Louis
10 if we lose title game
NIT if we lose in Semi final (won't happen)

Shox will win st Louis, 7 seed. Palm and ******* will cry.

[ShockerFever]

Deserving of a 5-6, will actually end up with an 8-9

[Shockers5150]

Would be interesting to be Gonzagas 8 or 9 again.

[Shocker1976]

Would be interesting to be Gonzagas 8 or 9 again.

If the Shocks are seeded 8 or 9; they need to be in Kansas Region.

[moshock]

7 + or - 1 if it's done with no bias. If we get seeded like we have in the past - we'll be 10 or 11 against Duke or Kentucky.

[ripemupshocks]

Palm and his freaking RPI. Like a math nerd bragging up his slide rule, while everybody else laughs and grabs their graphing calculator.

At the bracketmatrix, we're on 100 out of 106 brackets. Right now Palm is figuring out how many more mock brackets he has to publish before Selection Sunday, making his best honest guess at where WSU might really land, and grabbing his slide rule to do the calculation on the average bump he needs to give WSU in each of his remaining mock brackets so he doesn't end up looking like a TFM.

I get what you're saying, but when it comes to WSU, I'm not sure facePalm pays real close attention to RPI. I also think he's probably much more Jethro Bodine than math nerd.

Out of curiosity, I thought I'd compare his latest (02/18) bracket seeds to some of the more popular rating and ranking systems.

Team	RPI	FacePalm	Kenpom	Nolan NPI	BPI	Massey	Sagarin
Cal	39	9 Seed	49	55	48	45	46
WSU	40	OUT	13	7	18	23	16
Mich St.	42	10 Seed*	54	87	52	48	44
Iowa St.	43	8 Seed*	24	56	26	27	20
Miami Fl.	45	8 Seed*	34	53	28	34	30
Seton Hall	46	10 Seed*	59	86	60	49	54
Michigan	52	9 Seed*	27	68	23	39	27
Rhode Island	54	11 Seed*	55	60	41	64	56
Kansas St.	57	10 Seed*	28	61	32	31	33
TCU	58	11 Seed*	42	83	49	47	43
Providence	65	11 Seed*	58	99	56	57	60
Syracuse	83	11 Seed*	48	92	30	58	38

* Bubble Team

[im4wsu]

I get what you're saying, but when it comes to WSU, I'm not sure facePalm pays real close attention to RPI. I also think he's probably much more Jethro Bodine than math nerd.

Out of curiosity, I thought I'd compare his latest (02/18) bracket seeds to some of the more popular rating and ranking systems.

Team	RPI	FacePalm	Kenpom	Nolan NPI	BPI	Massey	Sagarin
Cal	39	9 Seed	49	55	48	45	46
WSU	40	OUT	13	7	18	23	16
Mich St.	42	10 Seed*	54	87	52	48	44
Iowa St.	43	8 Seed*	24	56	26	27	20
Miami Fl.	45	8 Seed*	34	53	28	34	30
Seton Hall	46	10 Seed*	59	86	60	49	54
Michigan	52	9 Seed*	27	68	23	39	27
Rhode Island	54	11 Seed*	55	60	41	64	56
Kansas St.	57	10 Seed*	28	61	32	31	33
TCU	58	11 Seed*	42	83	49	47	43
Providence	65	11 Seed*	58	99	56	57	60
Syracuse	83	11 Seed*	48	92	30	58	38

* Bubble Team

Too bad you can't tweet that to him, smply asking how he can support these seedings, without mentioning WSU

[rrshock]

Syracuse with an RPI of 83 is on the bubble? Wth?

[im4wsu]

Syracuse with an RPI of 83 is on the bubble? Wth?

They don't have to count some losses because Coach was out last year!

[wichshock65]

About ready to discuss shocks on CBSSN. (Directv 221)

[The 'hut]

Who was that P.ss ant on the right?

[ShockerFever]

About ready to discuss shocks on CBSSN. (Directv 221)

Wally and Guillen tried to fight for WSU but Rothstein didn't have none of it. I get it, WSU didn't cash in on the early season opportunities, but Rothstein is basically saying that WSU needed to go 30-1 to get an at-large bid. Are you effing kidding me, John?

How come Illinois State doesn't count as a quality win? They have a Top 30 RPI. Is it because they're in the Valley? So is RPI the metric being used or what? If it is, then who give a **** if it's in conference or not? They beat a Top 30 RPI team by 41 points. Does that mean anything?

As Guillen pointed out, you can knock on WSU and their 25-4 record (#winning) all you want, but don't be saying that these garbage P5 teams with 4-10, 5-9, or 6-8 conference records deserve it more because they #losing better.

[ShockerFever]

Who was that P.ss ant on the right?

Jon Rothstein. He normally has our backs. Maybe they just wanted some made for tv arguing today. Or maybe fellow CBS employee Jerry Hackjob got into his ear.

[ShockerFever]

And here's my problem with the RPI. If a mid has a good RPI, it's inflated. But if a P5 school has a 60-70 RPI, it's how many quality wins do they have (out of 20 chances). Ohh, 70 RPI P5 school must be > than 30 RPI middy.

[wichshock65]

Let's say we took 2 games in the BFA, but we dropped a couple in conference to bottom dwellers. Does that hypothetical get us comfortably off of the bubble? Just because of the quality wins? I guess I'm not smart enough to understand. Stampeding through the league doesn't mean **** i guess.