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  • #46
    Originally posted by kcshocker11 View Post
    Arnold!
    Originally posted by WSUwatcher View Post
    Jamie Arnold? More weight, but more attitude, and a questionable team guy at best -- I much prefer Markis.
    "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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    • #47
      Originally posted by kcshocker11 View Post
      Arnold!
      Where oh where is our T. Boone Pickens.

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      • #48
        Markis will soon get a well needed recharge after the school year and will be chomping at the bit to get back into town and start summer practice with his teammates and prep for the summer trip. They're always ready to get back to it after a month off.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by asiseeit View Post
          KR knows his business and I defer to his judgement, however, I wouldn't put too much too fast
          on this kid, especially if he isn't done growing. I'd like to see him at 6'9 200LBS next season.
          This is what I expect.

          210 is what I'd like to see.
          Livin the dream

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          • #50
            Originally posted by wusphlash View Post
            He really held his own pretty well this year considering his light stature. Speaks to his talent.
            Most of his minutes were at the three this year. I think most are hoping for him to be more of a 4 in the future.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by kcshocker11 View Post
              Arnold!
              Never will forget him munching on that hot dog while enjoying the melt-down before him.

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              • #52
                We've got Kelly and Willis at the 4. McDuffie might see some time there if both those guys have foul issues, or if one of them needs to cover for Morris and Nurger.

                McDuffie at SF is a matchup nightmare for most D1 teams. McDuffie can guard SF's without any problem, so the Shox can use a player with more bulk at PF. McDuffie has the handles, quickness, and moves to get to the hoop against SF defenders. Or he can just shoot over them no matter how they defend him.

                There are probably some genetics involved. MeCuffie might never get above 210 or 220 during his college career. Rob Kampman had a similar situation. No matter how he ate or worked out, he struggled to add bulk.
                The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
                We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.

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                • #53
                  Depends whether Willis plays 4 or 5

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by pinstripers View Post
                    Depends whether Willis plays 4 or 5
                    If Willis plays the 5, then McDuffie, who I see as a killer 3, is the second (or first) option at 4. He'd be an obvious stretch 4 because he's unlikely to have a lot of success posting up 230 lb. guys.

                    It would be nice if the Shox didn't have to go 3-deep at the 5 again. Playing Willis as primarily a 5 would probably mean limited time for Nurger. I'm not seeing where Miller was much better as a Soph than Nurger. If Nurger is to (can??) continue to develop, he's going to need some court time.

                    The guard positions are the problem area. If McDuffie stays at the 3, then Allen can sub in at the 2. That leaves Shamet, Frankamp, Smith, and Allen as the main backcourt rotation. If McDuffie moves to the 4, then Allen moves to 3 and there's either a 3-guard roataion or we're relying on a Fr.
                    The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
                    We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Aargh View Post
                      If Willis plays the 5, then McDuffie, who I see as a killer 3, is the second (or first) option at 4. He'd be an obvious stretch 4 because he's unlikely to have a lot of success posting up 230 lb. guys.

                      It would be nice if the Shox didn't have to go 3-deep at the 5 again. Playing Willis as primarily a 5 would probably mean limited time for Nurger. I'm not seeing where Miller was much better as a Soph than Nurger. If Nurger is to (can??) continue to develop, he's going to need some court time.

                      The guard positions are the problem area. If McDuffie stays at the 3, then Allen can sub in at the 2. That leaves Shamet, Frankamp, Smith, and Allen as the main backcourt rotation. If McDuffie moves to the 4, then Allen moves to 3 and there's either a 3-guard roataion or we're relying on a Fr.
                      What about Zach brown? I'm sure he's in the mix st 3. And I'm sure if Peyton moves into the rotation (defense pending) is not limited to playing just the 2 or just the 3. And McDuffie is not limited to play just the 3 or just the 4. Nor Willis just the 4or just the 5.
                      Versatility abound potentially.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Ol skool View Post
                        What about Zach brown? I'm sure he's in the mix st 3. And I'm sure if Peyton moves into the rotation (defense pending) is not limited to playing just the 2 or just the 3. And McDuffie is not limited to play just the 3 or just the 4. Nor Willis just the 4or just the 5.
                        Versatility abound potentially.
                        Sounds like Willis can play midrange on in with best game around the rim

                        http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/shockwaves/article35703192.html

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                        • #57
                          I'm thinking Nurger is also an option as a stretch 4. He was on the court at the end of the season with Morris. Many options available...

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                          • #58
                            It surprises how most people don't realize how predictable our rotation already is.. We are at least a 10 deep roster not counting Hamilton or Keyser, two wild card players.
                            PG- Shamet, Smith
                            SG- CF, Allen
                            SF- McDuffie, Brown
                            PF- Willis, Kelly
                            C- Shaq, Rauno

                            Slightly confused by all the skepticism of Landry at point. Dude's an obvious choice for team leader and I've only watched him play 3 games. Our guard rotation seems solid to me without Keyser or Reaves even being considered. At SF we have a strong 1-2 punch in McDuff and Brown. Both are defensive monsters already. Brown needs to work on confidence and driving. At PF and C we my biggest question mark out of all of them is RK. I recall Marshall saying over the last offseason that Kelly seemed to be the most improved. He didn't exhibit that in games to me. Too often he made stupid decisions driving and couldn't think on the go. I expect Willis to start over him. Shaq needs to prove he can be a beast without Fred and Ron on the court but I don't think it would be a surprise to see him get to the next level. If Nurger can figure out his game he'll make a solid backup. Those are my two cents, I'm not worried about our rotation in the least and I expect it to not be too unpredictable unless we get another transfer..

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by SlyShock View Post
                              It surprises how most people don't realize how predictable our rotation already is.. We are at least a 10 deep roster not counting Hamilton or Keyser, two wild card players.
                              PG- Shamet, Smith
                              SG- CF, Allen
                              SF- McDuffie, Brown
                              PF- Willis, Kelly
                              C- Shaq, Rauno

                              Slightly confused by all the skepticism of Landry at point. Dude's an obvious choice for team leader and I've only watched him play 3 games. Our guard rotation seems solid to me without Keyser or Reaves even being considered. At SF we have a strong 1-2 punch in McDuff and Brown. Both are defensive monsters already. Brown needs to work on confidence and driving. At PF and C we my biggest question mark out of all of them is RK. I recall Marshall saying over the last offseason that Kelly seemed to be the most improved. He didn't exhibit that in games to me. Too often he made stupid decisions driving and couldn't think on the go. I expect Willis to start over him. Shaq needs to prove he can be a beast without Fred and Ron on the court but I don't think it would be a surprise to see him get to the next level. If Nurger can figure out his game he'll make a solid backup. Those are my two cents, I'm not worried about our rotation in the least and I expect it to not be too unpredictable unless we get another transfer..
                              I think there will be some effort made to get mc duffie and brown on the court at the same time. Can't do that if they playing the same position. I'm not sure shaq and nurger won't need some additional help at the 5.
                              I think McDuffie will play some minutes at the 4 and Willis some minutes at the 5. I heard or read somewhere that coach expects keyser to help this year. There's going to be competition for minutes.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Ol skool View Post
                                I think there will be some effort made to get mc duffie and brown on the court at the same time. Can't do that if they playing the same position. I'm not sure shaq and nurger won't need some additional help at the 5.
                                I think McDuffie will play some minutes at the 4 and Willis some minutes at the 5. I heard or read somewhere that coach expects keyser to help this year. There's going to be competition for minutes.
                                Have to agree.

                                At the 5, I expect that Shaq and Nurger won't be able to consistently play 40 min w/o foul trouble. I expect Willis game is 15 foot in, which just barely qualifies him as a PF in HCGMs offense.

                                You know Kelly, Brown, and McDuffie are going to be in the rotation at the 3/4. If Brown and McDuffie are viewed as more successful than Kelly, then it is likely that McDuffie will slide over to get more PT for both players.

                                Running a three guard rotation of CF, DS, and LS should be fine.
                                Livin the dream

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