Landry Shamet Injured

[ShockTalk]

Realistically, LS's performances were 27 minutes versus Charleston Southern and 22 Minutes versus Emporia State. He fouled out in 4 minutes against Tulsa.

He fouled in 10 minutes, not 4.

[_kai_]

If Landry is still in a boot by February 1, I think we'll know our answer as to his availability. I just don't see how any time after February 1, and he's not out of a boot and in sneakers doing drill work with the team, that he'll not get his redshirt and sit out the year. Landry at practice on Day 1 of the year was obviously the best option for the 6th man, and a guy to fill the gap at the guard slot. I think sitting out this long, losing his endurance, and the biggest point I think here is that the guys he was better than on Day 1, now have about 2-4 more months of practice with the team, practice in game situations, experience and growth that Shamet won't be coming back to the same roster situation he saw in his first handful of games.

[RoyalShock]

If Landry is still in a boot by February 1, I think we'll know our answer as to his availability. I just don't see how any time after February 1, and he's not out of a boot and in sneakers doing drill work with the team, that he'll not get his redshirt and sit out the year. Landry at practice on Day 1 of the year was obviously the best option for the 6th man, and a guy to fill the gap at the guard slot. I think sitting out this long, losing his endurance, and the biggest point I think here is that the guys he was better than on Day 1, now have about 2-4 more months of practice with the team, practice in game situations, experience and growth that Shamet won't be coming back to the same roster situation he saw in his first handful of games.

According to Suellentrop's piece the other day, Landry could be out of the boot as early as today.

[Stickboy46]

If Landry is still in a boot by February 1, I think we'll know our answer as to his availability. I just don't see how any time after February 1, and he's not out of a boot and in sneakers doing drill work with the team, that he'll not get his redshirt and sit out the year. Landry at practice on Day 1 of the year was obviously the best option for the 6th man, and a guy to fill the gap at the guard slot. I think sitting out this long, losing his endurance, and the biggest point I think here is that the guys he was better than on Day 1, now have about 2-4 more months of practice with the team, practice in game situations, experience and growth that Shamet won't be coming back to the same roster situation he saw in his first handful of games.

I believe he is already working it out. They said he's doing swim therapy right now to build it back up. Not to say that its the same as gametime experience, but he's already able to start working on the strength part.

[WSUwatcher]

One thing about Landry, COS -- he obviously has great talent, athleticism, and basketball IQ, but let's not be too quick to assume he'll shorten his career at WSU. That's certainly possible if he's as good as Marshall seems to think and he continues to develop, but you can still find some pretty good players in college as seniors. Perry Ellis, for example, who was talked about as a sure bet early departure for the NBA back when he was being recruited; Buddy Hield is another. Shamet may end up projecting as well as Hield does or better; we'll see -- but even if so that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be leaving early.

[im4wsu]

He fouled in 10 minutes, not 4.

The source I used has four minutes. http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/.../gamelog/2016/
The WSU website indeed says 10. I apologize for not checking all sources

[COS Shocker]

One thing about Landry, COS -- he obviously has great talent, athleticism, and basketball IQ, but let's not be too quick to assume he'll shorten his career at WSU. That's certainly possible if he's as good as Marshall seems to think and he continues to develop, but you can still find some pretty good players in college as seniors. Perry Ellis, for example, who was talked about as a sure bet early departure for the NBA back when he was being recruited; Buddy Hield is another. Shamet may end up projecting as well as Hield does or better; we'll see -- but even if so that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be leaving early.

I don't disagree with your observations, and it is entirely possible he will be here for 4 or 5 years. However, a key point isn't whether he will be here 4 years (which I view as very likely, look at the examples you cited), but whether he would stay for a 5th year if he has graduated with his undergraduate degree. Yes, Ron stayed for a fifth year but I would argue it was a very unique set of circumstances with Fred also returning along with 3G. Is it possible? Absolutely, but what possibly happens in that 5th year versus what he can add with 15 min/game if he is back by mid-Feb remains an open question.

If Landry doesn't return I can see approximate minutes as follows in the tournament: FVV-35, RB - 35, Connor - 10, ZB - 23, MM - 17, EW - 25, RK - 15, with a committee for 40 min at the 5. If Landry can contribute 15 min then it looks something like this: FVV-35, RB - 35, Connor - 10, LS - 15, MM- 15, ZB - 20, EW - 20, RK - 10. I see that as a very valuable 15 min with Landry taking 5 min each from EW, RK and the combo of ZB/MM. I don't think he reduces FVV or RB minutes in the tournament, but as mentioned in the prior post it allows RB to play approx 15 min at the 3 w/ LS playing the 2. Exception would be foul trouble for FVV and RB and it gives us much needed depth in that event versus playing Connor more minutes against more athletic 2 guards.

I trust 3G to know what Landry can contribute and whether to bring him back, but the possibility is there for him to make a significant impact on this teams post season success, if 3G believes he can help. I think the upside for the current season is worth it if he can make it back by mid-Feb and add 15 productive minutes.

[_kai_]

According to Suellentrop's piece the other day, Landry could be out of the boot as early as today.

Out of the boot permanently or just allowed out of the boot for rehab?

[Stickboy46]

Out of the boot permanently or just allowed out of the boot for rehab?

Little update article on Shamet
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college...e52751135.html

Per the article I posted a few pages back, I think it will be permanently.

[WSUwatcher]

Anything's possible, COS, but I don't see Baker playing 35 mpg come tournament time, especially not if Shamet is back by then. In the Final Four run (which I've chosen because of WSU's success and because it's the largest sample) Ron's five game totals were 29 mpg, 33 mpg (x3), and 34 mpg -- and that was without anyone comparable to Shamet backing him up.

In any case, speculating about specific minute totals (which I'll admit to having done myself at times) is silly because there are so many unpredictable variables. I agree that as WSU makes its anticipated final NCAA run with LeFred and Ron that they're likely to get a lot of court time. But if Shamet is available and playing at full strength by then, he'll get his share of minutes, and if Frankamp is firing away by then he will too, and WSU will be better for it and for keeping the Dynamic Duo fresh.

[Stickboy46]

Odd random thought. If the NMSU game gets rescheduled in between the Feb 13th and Feb 18th games, that might give Shamet an extra game to clean off some rust before tourney time.

[Cdizzle]

Odd random thought. If the NMSU game gets rescheduled in between the Feb 13th and Feb 18th games, that might give Shamet an extra game to break some rust loose before tourney time.

I thought we all agreed not to use 'Shamet' and 'break' in the same post again this season.

[Stickboy46]

I thought we all agreed not to use 'Shamet' and 'break' in the same post again this season.

Missed that memo ... Edited anyways :)

[ShockTalk]

The source I used has four minutes. http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/.../gamelog/2016/
The WSU website indeed says 10. I apologize for not checking all sources

No biggie. I, too, was stunned when you mentioned it. In fact, I was going to look up the play-by-play just to see how it happen and, by mistake, went where I did.

[Kel Varnsen]

I tend to think he'll be back. No way Marshall keeps him off the floor for a possible tournament run.