Landry Shamet Injured

[pinstripers]

For those not at the game, Landry was shooting free throws in the pregame.

[Cdizzle]

For those not at my house, I also put up some free throws before the game.

From my recliner.

I'm sure that will pay off someday.

[SHOXAAC]

That my friend IS a personal problem.

Thanks...as happens often in my life a voice of reason is generally required. But why did this case need your voice? Damn!!!

[mjbaker84]

can landry take a medical redshirt for this year? seems like a waste to have him only play what 4-6 games at the start, miss basically 3 months and come back and then only play 1 month more this year. Wouldn't it serve Marshall better to have him have 4 full years ?

[Kel Varnsen]

can landry take a medical redshirt for this year? seems like a waste to have him only play what 4-6 games at the start, miss basically 3 months and come back and then only play 1 month more this year. Wouldn't it serve Marshall better to have him have 4 full years ?

He likely will not be able to take a medical redshirt. To do that, he must prove that he physically cannot play.

Landry started in place of Fred during his injury at the beginning of the year. No way we're keeping him off the floor with a tournament bid/run on the line.

[Steeleshocker]

can landry take a medical redshirt for this year? seems like a waste to have him only play what 4-6 games at the start, miss basically 3 months and come back and then only play 1 month more this year. Wouldn't it serve Marshall better to have him have 4 full years ?

Was it a waste for Ron to play 10 games, get injured, then come back for the Valley tourney?

[proshox]

Was it a waste for Ron to play 10 games, get injured, then come back for the Valley tourney?

Not the same situation. Ron already had a red shirt year.

[Steeleshocker]

Not the same situation. Ron already had a red shirt year.

True, but there is a precedent of getting a medical redshirt even after a normal one.

Edit: my point is not that their situations are the same. More that a limited number of games would not make the season a waste. He could be the key to giving us the necessary guard depth in the big dance.

[60Shock]

The TV announcers addressed this very problem pointing out the same pros and cons addressed by many of you and sympathizing with GM for the hard decision he is going to have to make.

Made the comment that with CF on board now and starting to show a great deal of promise as a back-up PG, they would strongly consider the red shirt for Landry. But with our 2 AA, any coach might strongly consider going for broke and having him, hopefully ready for March.

[Keyser Soze]

True, but there is a precedent of getting a medical redshirt even after a normal one.

Edit: my point is not that their situations are the same. More that a limited number of games would not make the season a waste. He could be the key to giving us the necessary guard depth in the big dance.

I actually don't believe that to be the case. There is precedent in being granted 2 medical redshirts, but I believe it's pretty black and white on not being eligible for a medical after an elective. What example are your referring to?

[Keyser Soze]

He likely will not be able to take a medical redshirt. To do that, he must prove that he physically cannot play.

Landry started in place of Fred during his injury at the beginning of the year. No way we're keeping him off the floor with a tournament bid/run on the line.

I think it will be fairly easy for him to qualify for a medical for this year. There is truly no way to prove that he is able to play if he says he doesn't feel 100% healthy and ready.

The trick is that I don't believe you can technically practice throughout the remainder of the season after the injury and still qualify so it would truly be a waste of the rest of the season as far as development is concerned.

I think it will be very difficult to not take advantage of all available weapons down the strech in a season where we very well may be on the bubble if we don't win STL as well as the last chance for FVV and RB.

Given Marshall's extreme discipline with sitting 2 fouls in the first half or 3 pretty deeply into the 2nd, I think having all 4 guards will be a necessity down the stretch.

I would be shocked if SL take a medical redshirt if he's ready to roll in Feb.

[WSUwatcher]

The TV announcers addressed this very problem pointing out the same pros and cons addressed by many of you and sympathizing with GM for the hard decision he is going to have to make.

Made the comment that with CF on board now and starting to show a great deal of promise as a back-up PG, they would strongly consider the red shirt for Landry. But with our 2 AA, any coach might strongly consider going for broke and having him, hopefully ready for March.

Frankamp's starting to show promise, all right, and he's starting to shoot the way most of us expected, but he isn't a backup for Baker -- Shamet is. That's why, if Shamet is back able to play and contribute by mid-February (WSU has five conference games from 2/13 through 2/27, including home games against UNI and IlSt, plus the possibility of a rescheduled game against New Mexico State that both schools seem to want to play), it makes sense that they'd want him to return.

Everything we know points to WSU doing all it can to reach for the brass ring this year, and having a lineup that includes Baker at SG with Shamet behind him, and LeFred at PG with Frankamp behind him, would be part of such an effort. If Shamet plays eight or nine regular season games and three in St. Louis, he's one or two behind what Baker did as a redshirt freshman. So get to the championship game in Houston, and voila -- he's essentially (or literally) caught up. That's plenty of games to make a season worthwhile.

f you were a competitor, and you felt like you could play a significant part in helping your team to be a Final Four contender or beyond -- and there was reason to believe you actually could do so -- is there any question at all what you'd want to do? I don't think so. And if you were a coach who has built what he thinks is a legitimate Final Four contender or beyond -- and there's reason to believe, based on experience and the talent Marshall has available this season, that such an aspiration is plausible (as witness all the pundits who also thought so at the beginning of the season), is there any question what you'd do either?

Assuming the team stays healthy from here on out, chances like this one don't come along often enough that it makes sense to do anything other than pull out all the stops, because who knows when the next similar opportunity will come? Holding back on speculation about what might be possible four years from now just doesn't make sense. For all we know, the 2019-20 season may be knocked out by a giant solar flare or a cyberattack, or for that matter just a wave of mundane injuries. So win now (as best you can, anyway), and let 2019-20 take care of itself. There's plenty of time to recruit for that season, including a replacement for 2018-19 senior All-American Landry Shamet, after this one is over.

[im4wsu]

I think it will be fairly easy for him to qualify for a medical for this year. There is truly no way to prove that he is able to play if he says he doesn't feel 100% healthy and ready.

The trick is that I don't believe you can technically practice throughout the remainder of the season after the injury and still qualify so it would truly be a waste of the rest of the season as far as development is concerned.

I think it will be very difficult to not take advantage of all available weapons down the strech in a season where we very well may be on the bubble if we don't win STL as well as the last chance for FVV and RB.

Given Marshall's extreme discipline with sitting 2 fouls in the first half or 3 pretty deeply into the 2nd, I think having all 4 guards will be a necessity down the stretch.

I would be shocked if SL take a medical redshirt if he's ready to roll in Feb.

Didn't Creighton have somebody get hurt, come back and actually play a few minutes in 1 or 2 games and then decided he was unable to play and got a medical redshirt?

[Keyser Soze]

I don't know. I do know that could work as long as he didn't exceed whatever the % of games played limit is and was unable to participate in practice/games from that point forward. I also know specifics on qualification very well may change from time to time without broad understanding of the changes. In other words, just because a situation worked 5 years ago, doesn't mean it will now with the NCAA.

I believe one constant over time has been the inability to get a medical after an elective.

[RoyalShock]

Didn't Creighton have somebody get hurt, come back and actually play a few minutes in 1 or 2 games and then decided he was unable to play and got a medical redshirt?

I'm not certain, but I think that was Nate Funk.

I don't know what the rule was then, but as Kel Varnsen alluded to earlier, you have to provide medical documentation (not the player's opinion) to the satisfaction of the NCAA, that he can't return before the end of the season.

http://informedathlete.com/medical-hardship-waivers/

Please note that at all levels, medical documentation from the time of the actual diagnosis of the injury or illness will need to be submitted with the waiver request to substantiate that the injury or illness was truly “season ending.”

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/07/17/how-get-medical-redshirt.htm

All of these must be proven with documentation. That means medical documentation to prove the injury and that it was season-ending and participation information to show that the student-athlete did not play in too many contests.