Games of Interest (2015-16 Edition)

[XManCometh]

You're trying really hard here.

Monmouth holds the PR Trump card against the school that has gone F4, 35-1, and S16 the past three seasons?

You can't be serious.

You can't be serious if you think past years relevancy actually matters THIS year. If that was the case then UCLA would be in the NCAA tournament every single season that they won 20 games.

[shoxlax]

I wonder how far Valpo's RPI will drop from 39, after their semifinal loss to #138 Green Bay.

Which is exactly why these conference tournaments suck...Valpo will be left out but they are someone who could actually win a game in the dance. Is that what your conference really wants: to send a team that got hot for three games to play the Goliaths of NCAA basketball when your 26 game winner stays home?

[Shoxfan11]

Are you seriously comparing 2010 and 2011 resumes and situations to 2016?

Good Lord, that's not a good comparison. Not even close. I'll go ahead and let Jamar do the dirty work, if he's so inclined.

No, I'm saying that in 2010 and 2011, no one here even really talked about being in the tournament. This year, everyone is. That gives me a lot more hope rather than thinking we have no chance, since people here (JH4P and more I'm sure) tend to be pretty spot on.

[ShockerFever]

No, I'm saying that in 2010 and 2011, no one here even really talked about being in the tournament. This year, everyone is. That gives me a lot more hope rather than thinking we have no chance, since people here (JH4P and more I'm sure) tend to be pretty spot on.

I see what you're saying. I read you wrong. My bad.

[SHOCKvalue]

Which is exactly why these conference tournaments suck...Valpo will be left out but they are someone who could actually win a game in the dance. Is that what your conference really wants: to send a team that got hot for three games to play the Goliaths of NCAA basketball when your 26 game winner stays home?

More importantly, Valpo is a school we could've invited to the MVC, instead of LUC.

[XManCometh]

That reasoning is flawed.

Sorry, but it is.

Agree to disagree then. If Monmouth is "way out" then to me that means we have a slim margin if more at-large bids are taken by teams like Iona. And I'm not the only person that feels this way.

[SHOCKvalue]

You can't be serious if you think past years relevancy actually matters THIS year. If that was the case then UCLA would be in the NCAA tournament every single season that they won 20 games.

If you don't think subjective stuff like that gets used by the selection committee historically, then you are quite an optimist.

[ShockerFever]

You can't be serious if you think past years relevancy actually matters THIS year. If that was the case then UCLA would be in the NCAA tournament every single season that they won 20 games.

When hasn't UCLA not made the tourney after winning 20 games?

And there is a human factor to the selection process, whether you want to admit it or not. Past relevance isn't a sole reason to pick a team. However, if a spot came down to two teams, and they were essentially tied, you better believe the more relevant team is gonna have a bias to be put in.

Also, are you really suggesting past relevance isn't a factor while at the same time you're championing around Monmouth is going to make it based on walk-on sideline antics? Are you completely nuts?

[shoxlax]

This straight from the NCAA site. Putting it on two threads for easy reference

Selection criteria

The Rating Percentage Index (RPI) is one of many factors used by NCAA sports committees when evaluating team selection, seeding and bracketing.
The basic RPI consists of a team’s Division I winning percentage (25 percent weight), its opponents’ winning percentage (50 percent weight) and its opponents opponents’ winning percentage (25 percent weight). The RPI is one of many factors the committees use for selecting and seeding teams.
Other criteria the committee considers in the selections process are:

• Rankings by regional advisory committees of coaches;
• Division I record;
• Non-conference record;
• Non-conference RPI;
• Conference record;
• Road record;
• Injuries to key players;
• Other computer rankings (Sagarin, KenPom, etc.);
• Special circumstances that may have affected a team‘s performance in certain games, such as weather-related travel difficulties;
• Record against other teams that are under consideration;
• Record against teams that are in the tournament field.

[SHOCKvalue]

Agree to disagree then. If Monmouth is "way out" then to me that means we have a slim margin if more at-large bids are taken by teams like Iona. And I'm not the only person that feels this way.

We get it dude... you're old school; teams live or die on selection day based on top 50/100 wins, RPI, and none of this new-fangled techno-gizadry computational stuff that the math nerds employ.

[ShockerFever]

Valpo falls from 39 to 51 after the semifinal exit; WSU thus moves up a spot to 47.

[XManCometh]

When hasn't UCLA not made the tourney after winning 20 games?

And there is a human factor to the selection process, whether you want to admit it or not. Past relevance isn't a sole reason to pick a team. However, if a spot came down to two teams, and they were essentially tied, you better believe the more relevant team is gonna have a bias to be put in.

Also, are you really suggesting past relevance isn't a factor while at the same time you're championing around Monmouth is going to make it based on walk-on sideline antics? Are you completely nuts?

You guys are completely missing my point from when I started this argument. I've been discussing Monmouth, and arguing in their favor, because of this:

Monmouth is out by a decent margin, imo.

Monmouth isn't "out by a decent margin" and that's what I've been making a case against this entire time.

[another shocker]

Agree to disagree then. If Monmouth is "way out" then to me that means we have a slim margin if more at-large bids are taken by teams like Iona. And I'm not the only person that feels this way.

monmouth was beating ucla (in los angeles) and notre dame while wichita state was loing to usc and alabama.

[SHOCKvalue]

FYP Laxy. Think there was an addendum issued revising the below recently.

This straight from the NCAA site. Putting it on two threads for easy reference

Selection criteria

The Rating Percentage Index (RPI) is one of the main factors used by NCAA sports committees when evaluating team selection, seeding and bracketing.
The basic RPI consists of a team’s Division I winning percentage (25 percent weight), its opponents’ winning percentage (50 percent weight) and its opponents opponents’ winning percentage (25 percent weight). The RPI is one of the bestest factors the committees use for selecting and seeding teams.
Other criteria the committee considers in the selections process are:

• Top 50 wins;
• Top 100 wins;
• Top 50 wins;
• Top 100 wins;
• Top 50 wins;
• Top 100 wins;
• Top 50 wins;
• Top 100 wins;
• Top 50 wins;
• Top 100 wins;
• Theatrical and dancing qualities of white college males in warm-ups

[XManCometh]

We get it dude... you're old school; teams live or die on selection day based on top 50/100 wins, RPI, and none of this new-fangled techno-gizadry computational stuff that the math nerds employ.

Who is the selection committee made up of again?

30-something "nerds"? Or 60-80 year old ADs?