Lutz, Marshall, Self and Turgeon

[OregonShocker]

Both teams will be highly motivated. Expect Kamikaze ball from the hawks, driving the lanes like Japanese Zeros trying to sink the USS Carter and USS Shaqwall..

The Ankle Breaker, Shot Maker, and Rim Shaker need to bring the SHOCK and Awe..

Yep. BTW, will either team play zone? Seems like the Achilles heel for both.

[Shock Top]

I always admired Larry Brown for his willingness to come to Wichita.

Speaking of which, why not start a series with SMU? (assuming we aren't conference mates soon)

[wu_shizzle]

A game at Sprint and one at Intrust should squash the $$$ argument.

They avoid us for more than just financial reasons.

Unless you count the head coach's continued employment and t-shirt sales as "financial" reasons.

[jocoshock]

I notice that Maryland has not been a hurry to schedule the Shockers. Probably because it would be too "emotional" for Mark. The reason KU was so willing to play us four times in the ninety's was because Antoine and X were gone and we were down. If Gregg would ever leave and WSU would slip I am sure Bill would be more than happy to schedule us. I always admired Larry Brown for his willingness to come to Wichita. It is time to start raising billboard money.

They also had an AD from Wichita that put common sense before nomsense..

[ISASO]

I couldn't care less if they play either. I must admit that it is beyond fun razzing them and watching them squirm under the increasing pressure from Dickie V., and others. All of rhe reasons and explanations of made up financial data just prove how twisted up they get over a school they claim to not recognize. I hope it never happens. If it does, really won't have a use for any KU fan. At least now they are an eternal punching bag. Always there, just waiting to be popped.

[WuDrWu]

Beat Indiana.

[shockmonster]

Well that wasn't the type of exposure I was talking about. Bill Self doesn't care about the person walking down the street in Philadelphia. He cares about the AAU or high school coach that follows basketball in Philly. Those people very much know who Temple played the night before and were probably at the game.

Is this the end all be all of scheduling? Certainly not. But such exposer is certainly worth a lot more than playing in Wichita would be. Of those same 15 people on the street in Wichita, all of them know who KU is and 10 of them hate them.

Chris

You argument is a Trojan horse. There is no way that basketball fans and recruits don't know about the Wichita State and especially the KU basketball program. They are perennial Top 10 (the past few years anyway) programs, Final Four contenders, and on television many times during the year. KU has a history that is unmatched in basketball. None of the players that they have on their team right now came because they went to Philly or anywhere else (except maybe Cliff Alexander). Recruiting is much more complex than just going into the urban centers in America and playing close to recruits is much over rated.

[AZ Shocker]

I don't get the impression Shocker fans would want to play ku in the regular season for "validation" type reasons. I think Shocker fans just like great basketball and would simply enjoy seeing two awesome teams square off at Koch Arena (or Intrust) every once in a while. I mean there's one right up the freeway. Why NOT??? Can I get an amen!!!

[ShockerFever]

Go Valpo.

[ShockerFever]

Whoever had 3 hours on how long it would take owenc to show up you can claim your prize at the ticket window.

Nailed it.

[Blackmag]

We all know the reason Self won't schedual WSU right now is the fear of losing, plain and simple. Ku fans like to think back to some of the one-sided victories of the 90's when we were coming off our 3-year probation that set us back 10yrs and some bad coaching hires. Sure they waited till Carr, Levingston, X-man, Sherrod, Ozell Jones, were gone. Just like now, it took the NCAA's to potentially get us togetheir. I don't buy the playing games in certain markets to reach the recruits, the recruits can catch ku on tv for pretty much every game, and the money, well ku isnt hurting for that. It's pretty comical when Self starts explaining the why-nots, it's such horse crap. Lets get past Indiana, and then we will have done our part to make this happen.

[owenc]

I'd love to see a link or substantiation of the above included in the top 2 paragraphs. Nothing I can find or see indicates that KU's season ticket cost is anything other than X mandatory donation plus Y seat cost (like basically all other programs). And the Y seat costs are nice round numbers this year it looks like, as it is every year. The variable cost based on either number of home games in a given year, or based on opponent (would a variable cost even matter if it is lumped into a season ticker price?) is a claim I can find no proof of. The $2500 figure for only season tickets is also false (they went for $925 to $1600 this season), not that the minimum WEF donation plus season ticket wouldn't eclipse that for many KU season ticket holders.

I stand corrected on the cost (at least for the last 2 years). Apparently they've reduced them considerably since I last bought them. I find that sort of amazing that it would go down, but maybe with Lew Perkins not sucking up all the good seats there is a bigger supply.

They do adjust the price based on the number of home games though. The last year I bought them they added the Kansas City game to the package and specifically mentioned that as the reason for the increase from the previous year. They also print the cost of each ticket on the ticket. They pretty much have to since most years they do sell individual game tickets for most of the games (they didn't really the last two years but maybe that was the point of lowering the season ticket prices).

But hell, at $925 it might be worth doing again. That is considerably more reasonable. Of course, if you live in Wichita it is going to cost you another $4000 to get up there and back for each game but that's another issue.

As for your last paragraph, your also off by a very large margin with regards to the first sentence, in KU's favor.

Well I was basing that on my memory of a ESPN story I read a few days ago. I suppose they could be wrong.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2015/story/_/id/12495302/many-ncaa-tournament-teams-did-not-turn-profit

Chris

[ShockerGorilla]

For years, we have gotten a number of players from Houston. How many times have we played in Houston? All that exposure down there must really help get recruits.....

[ShockerFever]

For years, we have gotten a number of players from Houston. How many times have we played in Houston? All that exposure down there must really help get recruits.....

It's just a chickenshit copout some schools use to excuse them out of playing games. They repeat it over and over because it sounds trendy and cute, but really, it's meaningless fluff. It's similar to the standard "we have nothing to gain" stchick and the classic "our athletic department is gonna go bankrupt if we play" line.

[Slalomshocker]

Here are the reasons why this particular fan wants to see the game in the regular season:

1) WSU wins, they are automatically #1 in the polls the following week. Regardless of record.
2) WSU loses the game, they jump to #2 in the polls and gain one of those coveted 'quality losses'

That's how it works right? At least that is the formula I have derived from the polls and selection committee. I guess you could probably substitute Kentucky or Duke in for KU and get the same result. Tongue in cheek....I think? But somehow it seems to be truth. So now I have a real beef with the selection committee, HOW THE HECK DID THEY LEAVE TEMPLE OUT?!??!?!?!

In all seriousness, I think I would rather WSU beat IU & KU in this year's NCAAs and then refuse the game when KU calls. "nothing to gain".