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[FlyingWheat]

Are you guys forgetting Shamet for PG?

[molly jabali]

#44 Przemek Karnowski, 7-1, 288

I want one that runs a 5.4 - 40.

Just dreaming.

Dismissed.

He was a man tossing around small children last night...

[wufan]

Are you guys forgetting Shamet for PG?

Lots of bodies that could play point next year:

VanVleet
Baker
Frankamp
Henderson
Taylor
Shamet

Not sure if Taylor is a PG or a CG. Everyone else is a combo guard. I would expect that come mid-December, Frankamp eats up most of the back-up minutes at the one and the two. Fred and Ron probably combine for 60 minutes. Conner probably gets 15-20. Shamet would be my bet to get th early minutes and whatever is left over.

[wufan]

The forward (3 & 4) position will consist of:

Wessel, Brown, and Kelly getting 55-60 minutes. Not sure about minutes for Hamilton and McDuffie.

Shaq will play 20 minutes as the post. BWam will play 10. Kelly and Hamilton are not posts, but could end up with time there if Nurger or yet unsigned JUCO don't materialize.

[Dan]

Now I'm going to grab my flame-proof kevlar-based protective gear and discuss the PG position. Successful 6' PG's tend to be either super-quick and super-slick with uncanny passing skills, or have an endless bag of tricks. FVV falls into the latter category. I do not anticipate that Frankamp will ever be the starting PG at WSU. Backup - probabluy.

The offense doesn't run as well with Baker at PG. Baker is 6'4" and has long arms. He has probably a 6" vertical passing release point advantage over Fankamp. With a lean, Baker probably has a 4" horizontal release point advantage over Frankamp.

For Fr minutes, consider this. Hamilton was considered "raw" coming out of HS. Brown was not. Both spent a year at Sunrise. Think about it. FVV was top-100 and SERIOUSLY underrated. Look at his Fr minutres. Still have questions about Fr starting or playing significant minutes?.

We've been spoiled by our point guards over the last 10 years. Hannah wasn't super quick or have an endless bag of tricks but he had a sweet shot, which made him effective. Ragland was pretty quick but he also had a really nice shot. Armstead was't quick either but he was strong and played good D and could bull rush his way through the lane. With Fred, we have a true distributor and floor leader. Depending oon the rest of the team, we can have a point guard that doesn't necessarily have to be the trickster that Fred is as long as he can do other things well, like shoot. 10 years ago we would have given our left nad to have a guy like Connor run the point. He's probably better than most of the point guards in the Valley already, we just have a really high standard for point play at WSU. I believe Taylor is also a point, he's supposed to be more of a defensive specialist type point guard.

[pinstripers]

Are you guys forgetting Shamet for PG?

yes. Taylor is a MAN, a PG, and loves to play defense, so, ........yes

[ShockTalk]

Lots of bodies that could play point next year:

VanVleet
Baker
Frankamp
Henderson
Taylor
Shamet

Not sure if Taylor is a PG or a CG. Everyone else is a combo guard. I would expect that come mid-December, Frankamp eats up most of the back-up minutes at the one and the two. Fred and Ron probably combine for 60 minutes. Conner probably gets 15-20. Shamet would be my bet to get th early minutes and whatever is left over.

Not jumping on your post(s), just using them to add to the discussion as you broke the positions down into 2 groups.

If by mid season, Ron is still the 1st/primary backup to Fred, things will still not be going as planned at point. While we may not have struck out at PG if this happens, it hopefully will just take a little longer for them to develop. However, if this time is needed for continuing development, we may need to look to the jucos for the following year at PG. I'm hoping between Taylor, Shamet, and Frankamp, one (or more) will emerge. I know Shamet is consider a combo guard, but he is known for his passing skills. At this time, I just don't see Henderson as a PG. He's shown nothing in games that makes me think he is anything but a SG, even when at point. In mop up minutes, Simon played point over Henderson. I'm assuming this was by directive from the bench. Simon's experienced roll as a walk-on would have allowed him to play SG, while helping Henderson at point. If this did happen, either Henderson failed or it wasn't noticeable as Simon looked to be the point.

[ShockTalk]

The forward (3 & 4) position will consist of:

Wessel, Brown, and Kelly getting 55-60 minutes. Not sure about minutes for Hamilton and McDuffie.

Shaq will play 20 minutes as the post. BWam will play 10. Kelly and Hamilton are not posts, but could end up with time there if Nurger or yet unsigned JUCO don't materialize.

Key to next year will be whether Evan or Zach need to play the 4.....at all. Our great record aside, that same schedule would have yielded even a better record and possibly a Valley tourney crown with a solid true 4 and 5. We had neither or they were out of position (Carter). The same will go for next year.

Someone has to step up to play quality 5 with Morris (and he may be more of a 4 than 5). Outside of ONE game, BWam has not shown to be more than a spot player. Nurger's age is a concern for me. He is 6 months older than Glass who will be a senior next year! I expected a more mature, skilled player this year, even as a freshman. His lack of playing in the second half compared to the 1st half of the season does not give me warm fuzzies. If a juco does materialize, he will probably be more of a 4 than a 5. I'm not going to put it all on Hamilton's shoulders as a freshman, but isn't he playing post for Sunrise?

I think Kelly has the potential to take on 20+ minutes at the 4. Problem may be, What after that? Hamilton is my first choice, but that's a lot to ask (although Kelly did play 14 mpg this year).

This season, and its problems at the 4/5, did not answer questions for next year. McDuffie's main experience in HS is at the 3. Brown is more of a 2/3 who even played a little point for Sunrise. Wessel, too, played some point in HS and is the shortest of this trio, but definitely not short on heart and grit. They can all play the 4, I'm just not sure how far this team can go if they have to play a lot of minutes there. I have to admit, a quality juco 4 who could play a little 5 seems to be ideal at this time.

[1979Shocker]

Not jumping on your post(s), just using them to add to the discussion as you broke the positions down into 2 groups.

If by mid season, Ron is still the 1st/primary backup to Fred, things will still not be going as planned at point. While we may not have struck out at PG if this happens, it hopefully will just take a little longer for them to develop. However, if this time is needed for continuing development, we may need to look to the jucos for the following year at PG. I'm hoping between Taylor, Shamet, and Frankamp, one (or more) will emerge. I know Shamet is consider a combo guard, but he is known for his passing skills. At this time, I just don't see Henderson as a PG. He's shown nothing in games that makes me think he is anything but a SG, even when at point. In mop up minutes, Simon played point over Henderson. I'm assuming this was by directive from the bench. Simon's experienced roll as a walk-on would have allowed him to play SG, while helping Henderson at point. If this did happen, either Henderson failed or it wasn't noticeable as Simon looked to be the point.

I don' think bringing in a PG from a Juco would work that well. They'd spend the first year here just learning the Marshall system. There would be only one year lft where they could be really effective.

[ShockTalk]

I don' think bringing in a PG from a Juco would work that well. They'd spend the first year here just learning the Marshall system. There would be only one year lft where they could be really effective.

If none of our current or new potential PGs are very ready to take the reins after next year, short of getting another FVV as a freshman, there may not be a choice. While it may be a gamble, please re-look at Hannah's performance BOTH years and even Ragland was very serviceable by the second half of his first year and had a 2.5/1 A/T.

[SHOXAAC]

If none of our current or new potential PGs are very ready to take the reins after next year, short of getting another FVV as a freshman, there may not be a choice. While it may be a gamble, please re-look at Hannah's performance BOTH years and even Ragland was very serviceable by the second half of his first year and had a 2.5/1 A/T.

It's settled then, Fred can't graduate. The NCAA let Grant Gibbs play till just short of Social Security.

[pie n eye]

Key to next year will be whether Evan or Zach need to play the 4.....at all. Our great record aside, that same schedule would have yielded even a better record and possibly a Valley tourney crown with a solid true 4 and 5. We had neither or they were out of position (Carter). The same will go for next year.

Someone has to step up to play quality 5 with Morris (and he may be more of a 4 than 5). Outside of ONE game, BWam has not shown to be more than a spot player. Nurger's age is a concern for me. He is 6 months older than Glass who will be a senior next year! I expected a more mature, skilled player this year, even as a freshman. His lack of playing in the second half compared to the 1st half of the season does not give me warm fuzzies. If a juco does materialize, he will probably be more of a 4 than a 5. I'm not going to put it all on Hamilton's shoulders as a freshman, but isn't he playing post for Sunrise?

I think Kelly has the potential to take on 20+ minutes at the 4. Problem may be, What after that? Hamilton is my first choice, but that's a lot to ask (although Kelly did play 14 mpg this year).

This season, and its problems at the 4/5, did not answer questions for next year. McDuffie's main experience in HS is at the 3. Brown is more of a 2/3 who even played a little point for Sunrise. Wessel, too, played some point in HS and is the shortest of this trio, but definitely not short on heart and grit. They can all play the 4, I'm just not sure how far this team can go if they have to play a lot of minutes there. I have to admit, a quality juco 4 who could play a little 5 seems to be ideal at this time.

I gotta disagree with your assessment of Nurger. I think he has plenty of skills. He can shoot, dribble, has good hands and footwork and can finish with both hands. His problem isn't lack of skill it is lack of strength and quickness. Both of those things can be improved.

Also BushWamakota has shown in multiple games of the second half of the season that he's a capable defender, not just one game. I agree that the D came in spot minutes but the subtle signs of a player are there.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Lots of bodies that could play point next year:

VanVleet
Baker
Frankamp
Henderson
Taylor
Shamet

Not sure if Taylor is a PG or a CG. Everyone else is a combo guard. I would expect that come mid-December, Frankamp eats up most of the back-up minutes at the one and the two. Fred and Ron probably combine for 60 minutes. Conner probably gets 15-20. Shamet would be my bet to get th early minutes and whatever is left over.

I have this feeling about Frankamp. If plays any minutes at the point, I will be quite surprised.

[ShockerPrez]

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[Ricardo del Rio]

The title of this thread is perfect.

I wonder, if Coach Marshall on a lark, takes a peek from time to time. Never mind.