Games of interest

[MoValley John]

Actually, it could be as little as one or two games. One game if a tiebreaker determined second, two without a tiebreaker. The losses to the Shockers are a given.

In my opinion, you guys need to be less defensive about the condition of the Valley, the Valley, plain and simple, is a dumpster fire. Being undefeated, you guys no longer need to worry about the strength or weakness of the Valley. The Shockers have crossed the bridge of being lumped in with the Evansvilles. The weakness of the Valley may keep you from #1 votes, it woun't keep you from a #1 seed. I would take the seed over the rankings anyday. Wichita State is awesome, the Valley sucks, big deal.

[shocker3]

SC just did at teaser saying "Should Wichita St. be the new #1 ?" and they showed some nice footage of Baker. "When we come back we will argue the point." (or something like that).

[WillieJeffJeffries]

I guess that makes up for the Boston College guy who shoots 56% going 4/4 in OT, why the hell did they even pass it in to him near the end of the game anyway?

cuz he was due....lol

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Seriously. 'Syracuse's loss to BC was the WORST loss by the AP #1 in history (at least record wise). Yet BC could compete in the Valley???

Spare Me.

If a MVC bottom feeder played the #1 team in the country twice, once close, once actually winning, everyone here would be talking how the league was sooo strong. When an ACC team does it, focus goes to the majority of their schedule and the assumption is they still stink.

BC scheduled up in the non conf and lost a ton of close games to good teams. Are they NCAA good. No way. Are they NIT good? No way. Are they quite likely at the same level as a middle of the MVC team this year? Probably. It's a sad statement about the MVC really.

I disagree that they would be fighting for 2nd or 3rd, but don't tell me they couldn't be very competitive in this year's down MVC.

[ShockerFever]

LMAO.

[shock]

because they're so good

[Dave Stalwart]

because they're so good

Look at all those good losses! They should be in the consideration for #1

[Shockeriffic]

BC isn't good. Neither is the middle of the Valley. Everyone's favorite dumpster fire is currently sitting in third. The Redbirds strategy is to shoot a ton of 3 pointers even though they rank 303 in 3 point percentage. That sounds like a bad strategy until you see how bad they are at making 2 point shots. So instead of making a list of all the bottom feeders that could compete with them, I'll list the ones that can't.

Washington St., Virginia Tech, Mississippi St., Depaul, TCU, South Florida, Temple, UCF. Everyone else could compete in the .500 dogpile forming in the middle of the Valley.

[MoValley John]

BC isn't good. Neither is the middle of the Valley. Everyone's favorite dumpster fire is currently sitting in third. The Redbirds strategy is to shoot a ton of 3 pointers even though they rank 303 in 3 point percentage. That sounds like a bad strategy until you see how bad they are at making 2 point shots. So instead of making a list of all the bottom feeders that could compete with them, I'll list the ones that can't.

Washington St., Virginia Tech, Mississippi St., Depaul, TCU, South Florida, Temple, UCF. Everyone else could compete in the .500 dogpile forming in the middle of the Valley.

Wow! Great demonstration! Are you in sales?

Nice job!

[ABC]

I disagree that they would be fighting for 2nd or 3rd, but don't tell me they couldn't be very competitive in this year's down MVC.

Please elaborate. BC RPI was 194 before last night's win.

[MoValley John]

Please elaborate. BC RPI was 194 before last night's win.

And Real Time RPI has Kansas #1 and Wichita State 7. There are several teams better than Kansas and I can't think of any better than Wichita State.

[WuDrWu]

If a MVC bottom feeder played the #1 team in the country twice, once close, once actually winning, everyone here would be talking how the league was sooo strong. When an ACC team does it, focus goes to the majority of their schedule and the assumption is they still stink.

BC scheduled up in the non conf and lost a ton of close games to good teams. Are they NCAA good. No way. Are they NIT good? No way. Are they quite likely at the same level as a middle of the MVC team this year? Probably. It's a sad statement about the MVC really.

I disagree that they would be fighting for 2nd or 3rd, but don't tell me they couldn't be very competitive in this year's down MVC.

NO.

When Evansville beats Butler and WSU, both whom went to Final Four, I doubt 5% of people talked about how tough the Valley is. Fail JH4P. And I think you know I respect you, a lot, but this is getting old.

[coran13]

BC has a lot of losses this year. A lot. But one thing you can learn from looking at those losses is that quite a few of them have been close games. They were due to finally win one, and it just happened to be against the number one team in the country. Boeheim was even talking the other day how his team plays more like a "20-5 team instead of a 25-0" or something to that effect. It was a big win last night, but let's not make BC sound better than they are and let's not make Syracuse sound worse than they are.

[ShockerPrez]

The problem is that if WSU loses that game it is a mortal sin.

Syracuse loses it.... eh. Its bad, but **** happens, ya know.

[coran13]

The problem is we don't play any games like that. BC has more name recognition than every team in our conference other than, possibly, us. RPI, BPI, SOS, any other random number can be pulled out to prove how inferior BC is in comparison to middle of the road teams (which is practically the entire MVC) in our conference. But BC is still a BCS school with a recognizable name. A lot of people vote off what sounds bad. And since most people know very little about Evansville or Drake or Northern Iowa those sound infinitely worse.

But it still hasn't been proven how that loss will impact Syracuse's votes. Also, they're lucky in that they play Duke on Saturday which will effectively erase the BC loss if they win. And if they lose against Duke, we'll jump Syracuse and Duke will jump us. If we want to be considered in the same league as Syracuse we need to start playing teams like Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Miami, Notre Dame, Maryland, NC State, etc. You know? Good teams.