Games of interest

[Play Angry]

I don't think Duke jumps us. Syracuse losing to the team they did after struggling to beat a descent Pitt team and a lowly NCST team helps solidify the argument that is is nearly impossible to go through the regular season undefeated.

Florida is ahead of us, and I can't argue much against that, but we will be a solid 2nd, Duke a solid third if they win sat.

Yep.

Hopefully our friends in Chapel Hill make the discussion moot tonight.

[coran13]

I hope you guys are right. And lolyeahright, that's the sports/fashion channel, right?

[Aargh]

^^^
I'm not about to repost that pic, but I do want to point out the signature line of the poster of the offending picture.

"You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

[MoValley John]

Oh my... How do I erase that pic from my memory?

[wsushox1]

Oh my... How do I erase that pic from my memory?

I'm afraid there's no hope.

[coran13]

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[Jamar Howard 4 President]

If a MVC bottom feeder played the #1 team in the country twice, once close, once actually winning, everyone here would be talking how the league was sooo strong. When an ACC team does it, focus goes to the majority of their schedule and the assumption is they still stink.

NO.

When Evansville beats Butler and WSU, both whom went to Final Four, I doubt 5% of people talked about how tough the Valley is. Fail JH4P. And I think you know I respect you, a lot, but this is getting old.

Re-read my statement. I said "everyone here". I was talking Shockernet folks. Of course the rest of the country would ignore it. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough with my wording.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Please elaborate. BC RPI was 194 before last night's win.

Which is exactly why I say they would be a middle of the pack MVC team.

[newshock1234]

Which is exactly why I say they would be a middle of the pack MVC team.

If you go strictly off RPI they would be 7th, that is Thursday play in territory. So not exactly middle of the pack

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

So why don't we get credit for beating Tennessee and Alabama?

We beat BCS teams every year and get little credit for it.

The conversation was about BC's name recognition and Syracuse getting credit for losing to a team people have heard of. The idea was that people say, "Oh, I've heard of BC, they must be decent." They don't usually say the same thing for WSU when they lose to teams like Evansville.

Tennessee and Alabama were wins, not losses. That's a whole different topic.

Not saying any of this is the way it should be, just trying to clarify for those who have been describing what is the reality we are dealing with.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

If you go strictly off RPI they would be 7th, that is Thursday play in territory. So not exactly middle of the pack

6 MVC teams have better RPIs, 4 MVC teams have worse RPIs. BC is closer to the bottom of the 6 than they are to the top of the 4. I'm sorry that it wasn't a perfect 5 and 5 split. I guess 6 and 4 will have to do.

And some of you think I'm the one who nitpicks and argues extreme detail. Ha.

[WuDrWu]

Re-read my statement. I said "everyone here". I was talking Shockernet folks. Of course the rest of the country would ignore it. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough with my wording.

No need to apologize, I understood you perfectly the first time. I don't believe any amount near "EVERYONE" on Shockernet (the group you were classifying) thought that Evansville winning the games I mentioned proved how deep the Valley was.

[ABC]

This was your statement:

I disagree that they would be fighting for 2nd or 3rd, but don't tell me they couldn't be very competitive in this year's down MVC.

Maybe it is semantics, but a bottom half MVC team wouldn't seem to me "very competitive."

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

No need to apologize, I understood you perfectly the first time. I don't believe any amount near "EVERYONE" on Shockernet (the group you were classifying) thought that Evansville winning the games I mentioned proved how deep the Valley was.

Butler and WSU weren't anywher near #1 when Evansville beat them. They were considered good teams, but there is a huge difference between beating those teams (and their perceived value at the time) and beating #1 after having taken them to the wire earlier in the year. Poor comparison.

If mediocre Evansville, in a good MVC year, went out an beat #1 once, and almost twice, this board would be full of talk about how deep the conference was. I don't see why this is a controversial point.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

This was your statement:



Maybe it is semantics, but a bottom half MVC team wouldn't seem to me "very competitive."

Here is everyone's current RPI. 6 teams ahead of BC. 4 behind. A bunch of teams not far ahead. A big lead on the bottom 4. I'm sticking with middle of the pack and very competitive. This year's MVC has 2 at the top, 4 at the bottom, and 4 in the middle. BC would be part of the middle group.

WSU - 8
ISU - 55
MSU - 115
UNI - 118
ISU - 125
DU - 164
Boston College - 169
SIU - 211
EU - 233
BU - 250
LUC - 279