MVC Post Season Awards

[Shockeriffic]

Who the hell is Matt Bohannan?

He's a Freshman guard for UNI. He's the kind of guy you end up with on the all bench team when the only team with real depth suffers injuries and the next best choice, Josh Jones, has to retire.

[Shockeriffic]

correct me if i am wrong but i think gibbs plays SF and faces the basket. although Cle normally subs
for our PF he does NOT play that role for us. he roams around the perimeter most of the time and
usually plays facing the basket also. i've mentioned on other posts that when he is in the game it
looks like we are playing with two SF's and no PF cause Cle seldom posts anyone up. if you agree
he plays mostly facing the basket then you should probably agree that making entry passes to
hall/orupe or dishing when driving to the hole when doubled becomes a part of his role.

Wrong. Gibbs works as one of their primary ball handlers. It's either him or Chatman with the ball going around screens. How many times has Early been the guy dribbling around a screen? Early is more similar to McDermott in this scenario.

[jdmee]

He's a Freshman guard for UNI. He's the kind of guy you end up with on the all bench team when the only team with real depth suffers injuries and the next best choice, Josh Jones, has to retire.

Only four Shocks started less than 25% of the games Van Vleet, White, Lufile, and Wiggins (Only one of the three to start 1 game). WSU had 8 players start more than 25% of their games.

For comparison:
BU had 8 players start a game. (5 started 25% or more)
CU only had 5 players start a game.
DU had 8 players start. (6 started 25%)
UE 9 players started (5 started 25%)
IL St (10 players started - 7 started 25%)
In St (9 players started - 6 at 25%+)
MSU (9 started - 8 25% + , 1 started 8 of 31)
SIU (9 started, 6 25%+)
UNI only had 7 players start a game. Only 5 started 25%+

[garylee]

Wrong. Gibbs works as one of their primary ball handlers. It's either him or Chatman with the ball going around screens. How many times has Early been the guy dribbling around a screen? Early is more similar to McDermott in this scenario.

Gibbs is a SF but I agree with you his role is a little different with more ball
handling responsibilities. Regardless, his numbers are much better.

[ShockTalk]

Lemon and Simms-Edwards? Really? Most improved?

Lemon Jr: +3.4 mpg, -.015 FG%, -.034 3%, +0.8 rpg, +1.0 apg, +0.9 spg, +0.5 TOpg, +2.9 ppg
Simms-Ed.: +0.5 mpg, +.066 FG%, -.061 3%, 0.0 rpg, -0.2 apg, +1.4 spg, -1.0 TOpg, +1.0 ppg

Cotton : +13.2 mpg, -.070 FG%, +.006 3%, +2.4 rpg, +1.1 apg, +0.4 spg, +0.6 TOpg, +3.5ppg
C. Hall : +6.1 mpg, -.021 FG%, +0.7bpg, +2.4 rpg, assits even, steals even, +0.5 TOpg, +4.0 ppg

Might add that Simms-Edwards "improved" FG% was .420, less than his sophmore year and his 3% was the worst in 4 years (never played less than 20mpg any year). Lemons 3% was also his worst in his 3 years.

Cotton "worse" FG% was .019 better than Simms-Edwards "improved" %.

[1972Shocker]

Who the hell is Matt Bohannan?

My question exactly. Really, who is he?

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

sir, i defend my posts with fact/numbers NOT with stupid insults. those who are not
inteligent enough to argue the facts usually result to nasty rhetoric.

The facts are its not Cleanthony Early's job to distribute the basketball. Clearly this is a fact you refuse to understand because you keep arguing against it. And to answer you're post below Cle plays with his back to the basket about 90% of the time. He does have a very good jumper and has range well past the 3 point line. He was actually so good at this skill that the writers of the MVC voted him to 1st team ALL VALLEY

The fact that you think Cle "seldom" posts anybody up CLEARLY shows that you have no clue what the hell you are talking about other than looking at a sheet of paper.

About 99% of the time when Cle subs in it is to replace Ehimen which causes Carl to shift to the 5 spot which means Cle plays the 4 more often than naught.

Seriously dont reply to me this thread or ever again.

[ShockerPrez]

Stats are stats, but I think if you were strictly going to take 5 guys from the valley and enter a tournament, these would be the 5 you would take.

[garylee]

The facts are its not Cleanthony Early's job to distribute the basketball. Clearly this is a fact you refuse to understand because you keep arguing against it. And to answer you're post below Cle plays with his back to the basket about 90% of the time. He does have a very good jumper and has range well past the 3 point line. He was actually so good at this skill that the writers of the MVC voted him to 1st team ALL VALLEY

The fact that you think Cle "seldom" posts anybody up CLEARLY shows that you have no clue what the hell you are talking about other than looking at a sheet of paper.

About 99% of the time when Cle subs in it is to replace Ehimen which causes Carl to shift to the 5 spot which means Cle plays the 4 more often than naught.

Seriously dont reply to me this thread or ever again.

too bad, i am going to reply simply because your your assertions are idiotic. If you think he is
playing with his back to the basket 90% of the time your not watching the games very closely
which makes your observations worth very little. in addition, its everyones job to share the
ball when their teammates are open and thats a FACT.

[ShockCrazy]

too bad, i am going to reply simply because your your assertions are idiotic. If you think he is
playing with his back to the basket 90% of the time your not watching the games very closely
which makes your observations worth very little. in addition, its everyones job to share the
ball when their teammates are open and thats a FACT.

I don't post often, but these statements are absurd. So here are some real facts. Carl Hall - 17 assists, Gregory Echenique - 13 assists, and Jackie Charmichael - 27 assists. Post players don't rack up assists nor should they. In fact the only players over 6'5 that have more than 35 assists in this conference for the entire season are Tuttle, Simmons, Koch and McDermott. And I would say Simmons and Koch are much more perimeter oriented than Early.

[another shocker]

My question exactly. Really, who is he?

evansville freshman? i think he had a good game in wichita on shocker senior night?

[1972Shocker]

evansville freshman? i think he had a good game in wichita on shocker senior night?

Thanks, I don't really remember him although I have to admit to being traumatized by the end of the Evansville game.

[garylee]

i hate to keep this going but Cle is not a post player so that is not the reason for his
low assist total. In my opinion he receives the ball quite often on the wings or corners
and has a responsibility to look for our guys that ARE posting up. his low assists
number suggests he either isn't looking or isn't giving it up. in addition, when he drives
to the basket from those perimeter positions he will, more times than not, draw a
second defender giving him opportunities to find an open teammate.

[jdmee]

In 167 less minutes than Gibbs, Early has 46 more Offensive Rebounds. This I think is the telling stat on how the two are different players.

[proshox]

i hate to keep this going but Cle is not a post player so that is not the reason for his
low assist total. In my opinion he receives the ball quite often on the wings or corners
and has a responsibility to look for our guys that ARE posting up. his low assists
number suggests he either isn't looking or isn't giving it up. in addition, when he drives
to the basket from those perimeter positions he will, more times than not, draw a
second defender giving him opportunities to find an open teammate.

Cle actually posts up through-out the game. As a team, WSU does not feed the post consistently so it probably seems like he isn't posting up as much. His “back to the basket” numbers were off the charts (I think he lead the nation in points per possession mid-way through the season).

Finally, Gibbs has a much easier role. He isn't the Center posting up, he isn't the go-to scorer, and he isn't the point guard. Other teams need to be aware of him, but his ability to create is a function of the offense and the pieces surrounding him. Assist numbers should go-up when you have a center that has to be respected, the nation's best scorer, and multiple outside catch and shoot guys.