#15 Wichita State vs. Indiana State GAME THREAD

[tropicalshox]

It always interesting who jumps.

[GoShockers89]

RPI drops from .6348 to .6197 (that is a big, big single game drop for those that don't follow it closely)

#16 down to #25.

[ShockerPrez]

I can see 1 in the valley tournament, 1 in the NCAA's, but where would the other 6 be?

Read the post I quoted.

[GoShockers89]

Indiana State pops from 50 up to 38.

MVC a 3 bid league now. Unfortunately it came at our expense.

[WSUwatcher]

I would say 90% of it falls on him.

I wasn't there, which is probably just as well -- home with family matters and a sick child -- so correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Marshall didn't miss any shots tonight, did he?

Here's the story, in four words: WSU didn't show up. They got outrebounded, didn't defend, gave away baskets off bad turnovers, and in the last 4:12 of the first half were outscored 17-3 plus 14-1 in the last 4:17 of the game. That's 34-4 (!) in 8 1/2 critical minutes. Repeat: 34-4. You can't beat anyone doing that.

[vancedave56]

We had little energy and little focus for all but a few minutes - everyone. I do wish we would have went "big" at some point just to see if we could. Maybe CH, CE, and JW or EO in at the same time. They played big up front most of the game. Of course, if we can't get it inside or shoot it in the hole, it doesn't make much difference.

[WSUwatcher]

RPI drops from .6348 to .6197 (that is a big, big single game drop for those that don't follow it closely)

#16 down to #25.

Yep -- losing at home is very costly: the equivalent of 1.4 losses. InSt is a good team with a good record and a respectable RPI, but home losses are still killers.

[GoShockers89]

I wasn't there, which is probably just as well -- home with family matters and a sick child -- so correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Marshall didn't miss any shots tonight, did he?

Here's the story, in four words: WSU didn't show up. They got outrebounded, didn't defend, gave away baskets off bad turnovers, and in the last 4:12 of the first half were outscored 17-3 plus 14-1 in the last 4:17 of the game. That's 34-4 (!) in 8 1/2 critical minutes. Repeat: 34-4. You can't beat anyone doing that.

Lansing outcoached HCGM in the first half when he (1) surprised us with a zone we weren't prepared for; and (2) dictated the pace completely.

HCGM, to his credit, made the necessary adjustments at halftime and made sure that we pushed the tempo throughout the second half. The players then completely crapped their pants in the last six minutes.

[XManCometh]

And on Selection Sunday, we'll be looking at this loss on our "Bad Losses" section along with Tennessee and Evansville.

Whoopie.

[GoShockers89]

And on Selection Sunday, we'll be looking at this loss on our "Bad Losses" section along with Tennessee and Evansville.

Whoopie.

Top 50 teams aren't bad losses on paper.

Still a stinger at home though. I just hope we get it figured out by Saturday.

[vancedave56]

Our defense has bailed out our offense time and time again this year. Our FG shooting is atrocious, our three point shooting is horrific and our free throw efficiency leaves something to be desired. The better team clearly won tonight and the better teams know our several weaknesses and have exposed us.

But you know what's really funny, ESPN hardly showed any of our games that we won while ranked, but I guarantee you they'll show our loss tonight.

The better team on a given night always wins, but the better team as a whole does not always win.

[ShockerFever]

And on Selection Sunday, we'll be looking at this loss on our "Bad Losses" section along with Tennessee and Evansville.

Whoopie.

Uh, they only show those resumes for bubble teams.

Don't lose it, chief.

[rialaigh]

Lansing outcoached HCGM in the first half when he (1) surprised us with a zone we weren't prepared for; and (2) dictated the pace completely.

HCGM, to his credit, made the necessary adjustments at halftime and made sure that we pushed the tempo throughout the second half. The players then completely crapped their pants in the last six minutes.

I would probably agree with you on the dictated pace, but they did not suprise us with a zone. We know teams are going to play zone against us, everyone knows it, it is not a shock....It would seem that the preparation being made to play against the zone is to improve our three point game. But I seriously doubt that HCGM has not spent numerous hours in practice preparing for exactly what happened tonight

[1979Shocker]

And on Selection Sunday, we'll be looking at this loss on our "Bad Losses" section along with Tennessee and Evansville.

Whoopie.

How can a loss to a #38 in the RPI be a bad loss?

[ShockerPrez]

I wasn't there, which is probably just as well -- home with family matters and a sick child -- so correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Marshall didn't miss any shots tonight, did he?

Here's the story, in four words: WSU didn't show up. They got outrebounded, didn't defend, gave away baskets off bad turnovers, and in the last 4:12 of the first half were outscored 17-3 plus 14-1 in the last 4:17 of the game. That's 34-4 (!) in 8 1/2 critical minutes. Repeat: 34-4. You can't beat anyone doing that.

But isn't it his job, in practice, to develop and scheme plays that get the ball in to postion to get a high percentage shot? The offense was stagnant. No movement, and we settled for threes.

Before the game, HCGM said indy st would play VERY LITTLE zone. Guess what? They played a lot of zone.

Then HCGM puts Wiggins in early. No doubt to bust the zone. But he doesnt get any looks from 3, then gets benched for not diving for a ball. Okay fine. Well, thats, that. Then no answer for that zone.

Look, its one loss. But we got exposed a bit tonight. And HCGM has been around long enough to have his own bag of tricks, but perhaps not.

Shox will bounce back. They always do.