Poll Watch, 2012-13 Edition

[n8]

You a WSU fan or a lurking opposing fan?

I appreciate the fact that Reaper rightfully called Cold out on his BS. I can understand that he's happy we have experienced some early season success, but the gloating makes us seem small time. An 8-0 record doesn't means coach deserves another 500k in salary and an outcry from the fanbase if our good name as Shockers is besmirched as "mid-major." If the program is getting as good as we all hope it is, then we should expect success and know how to win with dignity.

Also, I understand some of the tilting that goes on around here against the mid-major label windmill, but we can not like the term and still be reasonable when it is used.

[WuShock Reaper]

Don't poke that mutha ****** it's got RPI RABIES!!!! Let it lie

The real problem is that we face the Northern Colorado Grizzlies on Saturday and the Missouri State Bears (twice) later this season. Their respective RPI's as of today:

MSU - #308
UNC - #309

These mutha ****** must be from the same mother and father. Heck, they are identical twins.

[Ta town]

Sure but only one roams the Valley so not too much fun to tease the Big Sky variety.

[Dave Stalwart]

Holy crap....who cares?

WSU is ranked, WSU is being recognized, why the need to have everyone bow down before Wu?

All I care about is WSU getting thru non con with an undefeated record. That will put them in a nice position to earn an at large and will even allow them a bump or two. Although there is a bear on the lose in the Valley this year with RPI RABIES and if you get bit by that sick **** it could ruin everything.

This is by far my favorite post of the day.

[ShockerFever]

I appreciate the fact that Reaper rightfully called Cold out on his BS. I can understand that he's happy we have experienced some early season success, but the gloating makes us seem small time. An 8-0 record doesn't means coach deserves another 500k in salary and an outcry from the fanbase if our good name as Shockers is besmirched as "mid-major." If the program is getting as good as we all hope it is, then we should expect success and know how to win with dignity.

Also, I understand some of the tilting that goes on around here against the mid-major label windmill, but we can not like the term and still be reasonable when it is used.

Fair enough.

Just noticed a few comments in this time of high-level play that seemed to be of a lurking fan killjoy type.

[ShockTalk]

I appreciate the fact that Reaper rightfully called Cold out on his BS. I can understand that he's happy we have experienced some early season success, but the gloating makes us seem small time. An 8-0 record doesn't means coach deserves another 500k in salary and an outcry from the fanbase if our good name as Shockers is besmirched as "mid-major." If the program is getting as good as we all hope it is, then we should expect success and know how to win with dignity.

Also, I understand some of the tilting that goes on around here against the mid-major label windmill, but we can not like the term and still be reasonable when it is used.

Why do loyal posters here continue to say mid-major? :banghead:

Hopefully, all posters here will soon learn not to use the "mid-major" tag if one wishes readers to actually read one's post and not get hung-up on the term. :applouse:

If one must, use non-BCS. As BCS is viewed here as an equally negative term as mid-major, it should be positively received. :good: Of course, there are some BCS teams that are truly mid-major and it may be unclear as to where the "Quasi BCS" belong in your usage of that term. :indecisiveness:

Maybe one needs to be more discriptive, such as "a major team from a non-BCS conference". Surely that would be readily acceptable.:triumphant:

Now if one is going to disparage another team, the mid-major term is of course very acceptable. Such as, isn't it interesting how many "mid-major teams there are in the Big Least". Totally acceptable. :highly_amused: I didn't realize "that BCS team travels like a mid-major". Now that's a double dig!!

I have no help when one quotes articles that perch us atop a group of teams that the articles call mid-majors. Tread at your own risk. :dejection: Off course, it would be of great help to our image if the Commish would get us the heck out of that Mid Major BB Tournament. :ranting2:

Did you notice how I phrased that? :cool:

[pinstripers]

Mid major does not bother me at all.

[Aargh]

... the gloating makes us seem small time.

Evidently you've never been to phog.net.

[shockmonster]

Mid major does not bother me at all.

As a descriptive term, it lacks specificity. It's like calling both a 4'10 and 5'9 man a "Little man". It's somewhat true but not totally and for sure a very poor description.

[n8]

ShockTalk, I think you mistook my point.

I was not endorsing the use of the term mid-major nor saying that it is accurate descriptor for Wichita State Basketball. My point was that some posters on this board *ahem* get a little carried away when it is used.

I believe, as Coach Marshall has stated numerous times when asked, that Wichita State is a first rate college basketball program. Our budget, facilities, coach, players and above all fan support prove that. What bothers me, as a fan, is how much some folks' feathers get ruffled when they hear the term mid-major. It reeks of insecurity. It makes me roll my eyes at some of my fellow Shocker fans.

And reactions like yours makes our fans appear, yes, mid-major. It's like our fanbase is trying to compensate for something. If you want the label to go away, ignore it. Blue blood programs with more prestigious conference affiliations are going to try to marginalize Wichita State because they see us as the new kid on the block. They are trying to disrespect us. My question is, why are you letting them? We have two wildly effective forms of recourse:

1) Ignore the name calling
2) Winning

It really is as simple as that. All we have to do is keep running teams out of their own gyms. They will stop calling us mid-major because it will be easier to admit we are big time than it will be to say they lost to a mid-major year after year. Building a basketball program like Marshall is doing is about earning respect. Word takes a while to get around sometimes. With our team's name ticking at the bottom of the screen in December and our highlights on SportsCenter, people will find out soon enough. Until then, can we just take it a little easier and enjoy the fact that our team is outdoing themselves so early in the year?

[C0|dB|00ded]

I appreciate the fact that Reaper rightfully called Cold out on his BS. I can understand that he's happy we have experienced some early season success, but the gloating makes us seem small time. An 8-0 record doesn't means coach deserves another 500k in salary and an outcry from the fanbase if our good name as Shockers is besmirched as "mid-major." If the program is getting as good as we all hope it is, then we should expect success and know how to win with dignity.

Also, I understand some of the tilting that goes on around here against the mid-major label windmill, but we can not like the term and still be reasonable when it is used.

Called me out on "my" B.S.? You clown...

Why don't you walk up to HCGM when you get a chance and say something like this, "Hey coach, I can't tell you how proud I am of what you've down with the Shockers. You've built one of the top mid-major programs in the country." Get back to me on his response after you lay that on him.

Why do loyal posters here continue to say mid-major? :banghead:

Hopefully, all posters here will soon learn not to use the "mid-major" tag if one wishes readers to actually read one's post and not get hung-up on the term. :applouse:

If one must, use non-BCS. As BCS is viewed here as an equally negative term as mid-major, it should be positively received. :good: Of course, there are some BCS teams that are truly mid-major and it may be unclear as to where the "Quasi BCS" belong in your usage of that term. :indecisiveness:

Maybe one needs to be more discriptive, such as "a major team from a non-BCS conference". Surely that would be readily acceptable.:triumphant:

Now if one is going to disparage another team, the mid-major term is of course very acceptable. Such as, isn't it interesting how many "mid-major teams there are in the Big Least". Totally acceptable. :highly_amused: I didn't realize "that BCS team travels like a mid-major". Now that's a double dig!!

I have no help when one quotes articles that perch us atop a group of teams that the articles call mid-majors. Tread at your own risk. :dejection: Off course, it would be of great help to our image if the Commish would get us the heck out of that Mid Major BB Tournament.

Did you notice how I phrased that? :cool:

Well said.

Mid major does not bother me at all.

It bothers our coach. Can you not understand the dilemma a salesman faces when members of his own team start pitching the competition's products? Is it really that difficult to understand?

The mid-major title was created by the "BCS establishment" (namely the national media) in order to provide BCS schools with a competitive advantage over non-BCS in regards to brand recognition. Networks wanted a super-league of sorts, comprised of "elite college teams" in a manageable package that could be sold to advertisers. If you were a major team, as Wichita State was and is, and you weren't in the right chair when the music stopped, you were labeled an outsider.. or mid-major.

Had we secured a chair at the big boy's table when the music stopped, I wouldn't be bitching. As it stands, we are one of the few major programs that were left in a "mid-major" conference and I make an effort to remind folks of that.

Those of you that continue to use the mid-major term from this point on will not be deemed ignorant, but an enemy of the program and will be flamed accordingly. Proceed at your own risk.


T


...:cool:

[ShauXTyme]

Cold - I bet you drive a big truck, don't you?

[pinstripers]

Lots of things insult me, but that doesn't. I just don't care. Win and everything takes care of itself. I do understand salesmanship during the recruiting process (which is where the term originated).

[C0|dB|00ded]

ShockTalk, I think you mistook my point.

I was not endorsing the use of the term mid-major nor saying that it is accurate descriptor for Wichita State Basketball. My point was that some posters on this board *ahem* get a little carried away when it is used.

I believe, as Coach Marshall has stated numerous times when asked, that Wichita State is a first rate college basketball program. Our budget, facilities, coach, players and above all fan support prove that. What bothers me, as a fan, is how much some folks' feathers get ruffled when they hear the term mid-major. It reeks of insecurity. It makes me roll my eyes at some of my fellow Shocker fans.

And reactions like yours makes our fans appear, yes, mid-major. It's like our fanbase is trying to compensate for something. If you want the label to go away, ignore it. Blue blood programs with more prestigious conference affiliations are going to try to marginalize Wichita State because they see us as the new kid on the block. They are trying to disrespect us. My question is, why are you letting them? We have two wildly effective forms of recourse:

1) Ignore the name calling
2) Winning

It really is as simple as that. All we have to do is keep running teams out of their own gyms. They will stop calling us mid-major because it will be easier to admit we are big time than it will be to say they lost to a mid-major year after year. Building a basketball program like Marshall is doing is about earning respect. Word takes a while to get around sometimes. With our team's name ticking at the bottom of the screen in December and our highlights on SportsCenter, people will find out soon enough. Until then, can we just take it a little easier and enjoy the fact that our team is outdoing themselves so early in the year?

You just don't get it...

We are a major program not because of our winning, but because of our fan support, resources, facilities, and tradition.

Wichita State is a major basketball program whether you want to believe it or not. All I ask is that people start acting like it. Ignorance or complacency isn't going to cut it.

Success on the basketball court comes from winning, by way of recruiting, via the hard work of our recruiters whose main goal is to sell and hype the Wichita State product. When recruits (or more importantly their friends and family) come to ShockerNet and see things like mid-major poll threads, it reeks and is counterproductive to our coaching staff's goal.

HCGM fully expects to bring in top-rated recruits, and he won't be able to do so if the recruit thinks we are inferior to the BCS schools we are in competition with. I can guarantee you this, when a recruiting war comes down to us and a BCS school, the BCS school is saying mid-major this and mid-major that... Why do you want to help out the opposition?

HCGM likes his players confident if not a little cocky. He uses the term swagger often. Do you think he expects any less of his fanbase?


T


...:cool:

[ShockTalk]

ShockTalk, I think you mistook my point.

I was not endorsing the use of the term mid-major nor saying that it is accurate descriptor for Wichita State Basketball. My point was that some posters on this board *ahem* get a little carried away when it is used.

I believe, as Coach Marshall has stated numerous times when asked, that Wichita State is a first rate college basketball program. Our budget, facilities, coach, players and above all fan support prove that. What bothers me, as a fan, is how much some folks' feathers get ruffled when they hear the term mid-major. It reeks of insecurity. It makes me roll my eyes at some of my fellow Shocker fans.

And reactions like yours makes our fans appear, yes, mid-major. It's like our fanbase is trying to compensate for something. If you want the label to go away, ignore it. Blue blood programs with more prestigious conference affiliations are going to try to marginalize Wichita State because they see us as the new kid on the block. They are trying to disrespect us. My question is, why are you letting them? We have two wildly effective forms of recourse:

1) Ignore the name calling
2) Winning

It really is as simple as that. All we have to do is keep running teams out of their own gyms. They will stop calling us mid-major because it will be easier to admit we are big time than it will be to say they lost to a mid-major year after year. Building a basketball program like Marshall is doing is about earning respect. Word takes a while to get around sometimes. With our team's name ticking at the bottom of the screen in December and our highlights on SportsCenter, people will find out soon enough. Until then, can we just take it a little easier and enjoy the fact that our team is outdoing themselves so early in the year?

Sorry, I didn't really misunderstand. I was actually pointing out how others may misunderstand, when one uses the term mid-major or an article using the term mid-major, to the point of not really reading the post. I also thought the use of "smilies" would let people know to read the post with tongue-in-cheek. Please re-read adding some George Carlin.