MVC Non-Conference Games

[wusphlash]

Early December it is, but consider two teams in the top 25. ISU Red has 3 loses. 1 to Louisville, one to an undefeated Wyoming team and 1 to a Northwestern team that is currently waxing Baylor in Waco. MVC, right now, is a minimum 2 bid conference, us and the Bluejays, with ISU certainly representative. Frustration with the close loses is understandable. I don't think we'll be the one bid conference of a couple years ago.

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If the resident ShockerNet membership might indulge me a bit, I would like to regurg an oft regurged opinion of mine.

I don't give a rat's ass what the MVCDEFG does in the OOC. In fact I wouldn't mind if they all sucked so we could roll through 18-0 every season just like Memphis did in CUSA. I have absolutely no intention of ever believing the MVCDEFG will develop into a respectable conference. It is chock a block full of loser programs. I couldn't tell you one OOC opponent a Valley school has faced except for BJ and Longwood because that is some funny shat.

I expect Wichita State to win a solid non-conference schedule and then roll through the Valley on their way to the real tournament.

I don't care about the MVCDEFG

I don't care about the MVCDEFG Weekend Welfare Tournament

All I care about is Wichita State furthering their program and leaving this rotten league behind it


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[Aargh]

MVC - The Moral Victory Conference

[proshox]

It doesn't matter if Gonzaga was stoked. What mattered is that they entered conference play with some credentials and then kicked ass in conference. There were many years that they got in and were not a first or second place MVC team...

[ShockerFever]

Holy crap - you think the only difference between Winthrop and WSU is conference affiliation?

Fever, Gonzaga was the only real team for about ten years. They lived on their reputation and inflated win / loss record. Based on our current reputation the MVC can't have a bunch of landlines in the form of plus 200 RPI road losses.

WSU will be graded on the results it produces.

AND AGAIN, WSU has not done anywhere near what Gonzaga has done when it counts, during the postseason. Consistent NCAA success brings in high preseason rankings the following years. A big reason why we're ranked this year, outside the VCU win, is because of how good we were last year. When WSU wins at the level Gonzaga does (multiple Sweet 16's, elite 8's, a string of a decade of consecutive NCAA appearances) then I'll jump on your bandwagon of the conference doesn't matter. A good conference also increases your seed line on Selection Sunday. WSU had 4 more losses than Murray State last year heading into the NCAA's. WSU had a higher seed line because they dominated a better league and played better teams in it. Murray State got a worse seed for the same type of domination. If you're going to make comparisons with WSU, Murray State would be a better look right now than Gonzaga, and even then, we would be looking up at Murray's success over the last several years.

If the results happen over F-rated teams, the results are penalized. Is this really that hard to understand?

[ShockerFever]

If the resident ShockerNet membership might indulge me a bit, I would like to regurg an oft regurged opinion of mine.

I don't give a rat's ass what the MVCDEFG does in the OOC. In fact I wouldn't mind if they all sucked so we could roll through 18-0 every season just like Memphis did in CUSA. I have absolutely no intention of ever believing the MVCDEFG will develop into a respectable conference. It is chock a block full of loser programs. I couldn't tell you one OOC opponent a Valley school has faced except for BJ and Longwood because that is some funny shat.

I expect Wichita State to win a solid non-conference schedule and then roll through the Valley on their way to the real tournament.

I don't care about the MVCDEFG

I don't care about the MVCDEFG Weekend Welfare Tournament

All I care about is Wichita State furthering their program and leaving this rotten league behind it


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Cold, get back to me when WSU makes an NCAA title game appearance or a couple Final Fours this decade, or NCAA appearances consecutively totaling more than 1.

We are a major program. I agree with you there. But we haven't had the game to game results in March yet. With all of the things going for us that you mentioned, they have to translate to March wins or they become meaningless.

[pinstripers]

Is Gonzaga a mid-major?

[proshox]

I disagree. I believe the committee knows quality when they see it. If WSU plays to its potential this year they will be seeded based on their quality not their league affiliation.

Also, this isn't a hypothetical year. We are in the top 25 and have a damn good opportunity to be there when conference play begins. If that is the case, we have to tow the line and the seed will come. Other than MSU, the Valley is what it has always been. A first or strong second place showing has us safely in with a great seed.

[Kung Wu]

How is it even possible to turn a 19 point second half lead on your home court into a 14 point loss. That seems almost impossible. What an epic meltdown by Illinois St. I think I need a drink.

Reminds me of 1981 when the Wichita Wings lost to the St. Louis Steamers in the national semi-finals. The Wings were winning 6 to 1 in the 3rd quarter. They ended up losing in a shootout, 8 to 7. BAHAHAHA!!! Roy Turner is to Wichita Wings as Marty Schottenheimer is to Kansas City Chiefs. Sorry for the diversion down memory lane.

Crap happens.

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Cold, get back to me when WSU makes an NCAA title game appearance or a couple Final Fours this decade, or NCAA appearances consecutively totaling more than 1.

We are a major program. I agree with you there. But we haven't had the game to game results in March yet. With all of the things going for us that you mentioned, they have to translate to March wins or they become meaningless.

Gonzaga never made a Final Four or title game during their run. In fact, the majority of their NCAA performances were one-and-done's and two and done's.

I don't believe it matters to us whether or not our conference is strong. In fact, a weak conference would just about guarantee our appearance in the NCAA's every year. We have the resources and the talent to schedule and beat good teams in the OOC. Most of the programs in our league play spoiler and boy have they spoiled some very good years. I say to hell with all of them.


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[ShockerFever]

I disagree. I believe the committee knows quality when they see it. If WSU plays to its potential this year they will be seeded based on their quality not their league affiliation.

Also, this isn't a hypothetical year. We are in the top 25 and have a damn good opportunity to be there when conference play begins. If that is the case, we have to tow the line and the seed will come. Other than MSU, the Valley is what it has always been. A first or strong second place showing has us safely in with a great seed.

We've finished 2nd several times this last decade, hell even 2nd in 2 out of the last 3 years and the only NCAA bid we received was when we finished 1st in dominating fashion. Now, you're starting to stretch your argument with inaccuracies.

I'm going to have you do me a favor. On the coach's show next week, would you mind calling in and asking Coach Marshall if he thinks a good Valley or a bad Valley helps his team. If Marshall sides with you, then I will concede.

[wusphlash]

How is it even possible to turn a 19 point second half lead on your home court into a 14 point loss. That seems almost impossible. What an epic meltdown by Illinois St. I think I need a drink.

Find comfort in the fact that in 6 years of Gregg Marshall you have not seen anything like that. Or, find comfort in your drink. That's okay too.

[ShockerFever]

Gonzaga never made a Final Four or title game during their run. In fact, the majority of their NCAA performances were one-and-done's and two and done's.

I don't believe it matters to us whether or not our conference is strong. In fact, a weak conference would just about guarantee our appearance in the NCAA's every year. We have the resources and the talent to schedule and beat good teams in the OOC. Most of the programs in our league play spoiler and boy have they spoiled some very good years. I say to hell with all of them.


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That was in reference to your Memphis remarks.

If we consistently dominate a weak conference and make runs into March, a la Gonzaga or Memphis, then yes I will agree with you that the conference and Valley does not matter. Unfortunately, just striving and wanting to be like those programs doesn't matter. You actually need results. And results we do not have at the moment. As it stands at the current moment, we need a strong conference.

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BTW it matters to coach, that is why he left a good situation at Winthrop to come to WSU. If the Valley sinks to being a perennial one bid league, coach will definitely move on to a team in a better conference.

HCGM came to Wichita because he knows that WSU is a major program in a mid-major conference. He believes he can get us to a point where we dominate every year. HCGM likes to be the big fish in the pond. WSU is a very big fish in the pond where it resides.


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Unfortunately, just striving and wanting to be like those programs doesn't matter. You actually need results. And results we do not have at the moment.

I believe with all my mind that we are literally inches away from the results you are seeking. I believe this year is the start of our rebirth. I believe this year we don't just beat teams, we punish them. I believe next year we only get better.

So I'll say again, **** the Valley.


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