Official Scholarship and Roster Outlook 2012-13 Thread

[wusphlash]

I predict we will field 2 teams next year. One will win the MVC Legends Division. The other will win the MVC Leaders Division.:smile-new:

[rrshock]

Has uwadaei been written off?

[SubGod22]

Has uwadaei been written off?

Only by me....maybe a few others. The kid is a nice talent. Very athletic and seems to have a pretty good understanding of the game. Needs some time to develop and could be a nice player here. With that said, if he's been at about 4 schools in 2 years, it raises some flags. I think he's the recruit most likely not to be on the roster next year.

[SubGod22]

I'm bored. How about a breakdown of minutes played?

PG - Williams 12, Armstead 18, Cotton 10
SG - Wiggins 18, Williams 15, Baker 7
SF - Early 20, Wiggins 7, Baker 13
PF - Hall 12, White 21, Early 7
C - Ehimen 23, Hall 17

It's a rough estimate
Hall 29
Early 27
Williams 27
Wiggins 25
Ehimen 23
White 21
Baker 20
Armstead 18
Cotton 10

That's a nine man rotation which is what's pretty much expected. Obviously others will get a few minutes here and there. I have a hard time finding minutes for the FR. I could probably tweak a few numbers here and there to get FVV in, but I'm not sure I could find more than 5 to 7 minutes. And it's hard to really predict minutes for Hawkins/Green not knowing more about how they play and the depth of the team.

[BOBB]

If EO plays 23 minutes in any game I'll eat my shoe.

[Kung Wu]

Do any of them have academic scholarship possibilities? EO?

[im4wsu]

If EO plays 23 minutes in any game I'll eat my shoe.

With or without the laces (velcro)?

[ShockTalk]

I'm bored. How about a breakdown of minutes played?

PG - Williams 12, Armstead 18, Cotton 10
SG - Wiggins 18, Williams 15, Baker 7
SF - Early 20, Wiggins 7, Baker 13
PF - Hall 12, White 21, Early 9
C - Ehimen 23, Hall 17

It's a rough estimate
Early 29
Hall 29
Williams 27
Wiggins 25
Ehimen 23
White 21
Baker 20
Armstead 18
Cotton 10

That's a nine man rotation which is what's pretty much expected. Obviously others will get a few minutes here and there. I have a hard time finding minutes for the FR. I could probably tweak a few numbers here and there to get FVV in, but I'm not sure I could find more than 5 to 7 minutes. And it's hard to really predict minutes for Hawkins/Green not knowing more about how they play and the depth of the team.

I'm thinking the playing time may be more like 2010-11 where there were 10 guys between 13.6-26.1 mpg. You might be a little top heavy on the minutes as last year it went 29, 27, 25 and, as already mentioned, no one over 26.1 mpg the year before. We will have games where the top minute players don't play but 20 or so minutes as well.

I, too, think EO will top out at about 20 mpg. So Cotton had Murry, Ragland, Kyles, and Williams ahead of him last year and played 9.9 mpg and you see him not increasing along with Baker getting 20?

[SubGod22]

If EO plays 23 minutes in any game I'll eat my shoe.

I still believe we're all going to be pleasantly surprised. 23 is definitely on the high side. I could do it again with him playing 18 or so and see how that changes my minutes.... I'll throw in FVV as well and limit numbers elsewhere. But FVV's minutes will have to be enough to keep him from being a RS.

PG - Williams 12, Armstead 16, FVV 12
SG - Wiggins 15, Williams 15, Baker 4, Cotton 6
SF - Early 16, Wiggins 10, Baker 14
PF - Hall 7, White 21, Early 12
C - Ehimen 18, Hall 22

That gives us a 10 man rotation and...

Hall 29
Early 28
Williams 27
Wiggins 25
White 21
Ehimen 18
Baker 18
Armstead 16
VanVleet 12
Cotton 6

And I'm not a huge fan of Early playing about half of his time at PF. That doesn't help him much either. If you dial that back, Ehimen or White have to play more minutes or we have to see one of Hawkins/Green inside as well. With more minutes from Early at SF, Wiggins and/or Baker lose minutes there. You would expect both to get a number of minutes next season which just pushes more of their minutes to SG and would push Cotton/Williams to get more minutes at PG. And I think a 10 man rotation, a legit 10 men playing decent minutes, is tough to pull off.

But I like throwing numbers like this around because it makes you look at available PT and try to spread it to who you think or want to play.

[SubGod22]

I'm thinking the playing time may be more like 2010-11 where there were 10 guys between 13.6-26.1 mpg. You might be a little top heavy on the minutes as last year it went 29, 27, 25 and, as already mentioned, no one over 26.1 mpg the year before. We will have games where the top minute players don't play but 20 or so minutes as well.

I, too, think EO will top out at about 20 mpg. So Cotton had Murry, Ragland, Kyles, and Williams ahead of him last year and played 9.9 mpg and you see him not increasing along with Baker getting 20?

It's tough to find minutes is what I'm getting at. I have a hard time believing Cotton doesn't play more this season. But Baker has been hyped to be the real deal and is expected to see a lot of court time. 20 might be on the high side there. We have a lot of guys who can play SG which makes it tough. Williams, Wiggins, Cotton and Baker. Two of them also play PG. Wiggins and Baker could also play some SF but Early should get the bulk of those minutes.

This was a quick hitter type of thing. Like I said, some tweaking can be done. But I'd expect to see guys like Williams, Early, Wiggins and Hall to be in the 25-30 range.

[SubGod22]

And Cotton benefitted from Smith playing so much at PF which opened up some unexpected minutes on the outside. Hopefully Early doesn't find himself in the same situation of playing much more PF than expected and spending less time at SF.

[Ricardo del Rio]

If EO plays 23 minutes in any game I'll eat my shoe.

Would you go for 22 minutes and eat your shoe?

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[BOBB]

Would you go for 22 minutes and eat your shoe?

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touche. I should have specified d 1 competition. ;)

[GOSHOX1]

I know he had some problems at Bama but Tony Mitchell in the black and yellow would be awesome!!!

[WSUwatcher]

Sub, what "Hall issue" or "Hall thing"? I've asked this before and you never responded.

One guy dropped in to make an uninformed post -- e.g., he didn't even know about the redshirting rules -- about Hall possibly missing next year for some unspecified reason, and then promptly disappeared. Why would you give his random speculation any credence? Do you have some actual evidence for taking him seriously? I certainly can't see any, and if you're guessing that Carl could play close to 30 minutes a game it doesn't look like you do either.

By the way, if Orukpe gets 23 minutes a game I have dibs on BOBB's other shoe...