Masking, vaccination, and social distancing

[pie n eye]

You’re extremely full of it, and more likely a clodidiot. You FEEL safer? That’s not the same as making you safer. I know that you don't wear yours correctly either. Watch people. No one wears them correctly. There are gaps with air being allowed in, worn under their nose, hands touching them constantly, and adjusting them, even after they adjust their “junk”, almost all masks are paper, when talking understanding is impossible so they adjust mask, or look around the plexiglass, etc. etc. etc.

I didn’t say feel and you don’t know anything about me.

[Shockm]

I didn’t say feel and you don’t know anything about me.

That’s really what you meant, and from your posts, I think we know a lot about you. Very likely you feel comfortable with authoritarian government, and if you believe something, everyone should believe that way also.

[pinstripers]

I phoned the ticket office and we will have to be masked to enter. OK. At this time there are have been no discussions regarding refunds. (of course there have been discussions). I dunno if we are going or not. If we go, will we wear masks the entire time we are inside..........probably not

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Yeah, LSU tried the Vaccination Card or Negative test requirement. They did not require masks inside as a result.

That lasted like 3 games with tens of thousands of empty seats. Opened completely back up for Florida game.

[Wuzee]

I hope some of you won't be hurting WSU Athletics and, potentially, the success of the basketball team, out of misplaced spite for something that is completely beyond the Athletic Department's control.

A full Koch Arena crowd impacts the opposing team and sells the program to future recruits. A mask requirement is the last thing anybody wants.

Be pissed off if you must, but please keep the big picture in mind.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

That’s really what you meant, and from your posts, I think we know a lot about you. Very likely you feel comfortable with authoritarian government, and if you believe something, everyone should believe that way also.

Oh for the love of God. Being asked to wear a mask is not "authoritarian government." The amount of hyperbole and false equivalents spewed by some these days is pretty outrageous.

Most of the debate regarding vaccines and masks can be traced to an ideological brand of folks who apparently have never been told "no" in their lives. They grew up believing they were special and that they as individuals were MORE important (not just as important) as anyone else. And most frustratingly, they have been conditioned to believe that they have little obligation or duty to consider how their actions impact others. The concern for self greatly outweighs the concern for others. Unfortunately, our society won't make much progress until the focus moves back to the "we" from the "I."

I'm not Catholic, but one of my favorite quotes is from Pope John Paul II. "Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought."

I'm not sure that Muma's policy makes the most sense given the current state of the pandemic. That is entirely debatable--and an honest and worthy debate. While I believe that if you don't have a vaccine at this point you probably deserve the consequences of your choice, breakthrough infections for the vaccinated and the lingering impacts of the pandemic on health care workers is a consideration that I'm sure went into the decision. I doubt I would have made the same decision as Muma, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But to call this "authoritarian government" or spew ridiculous statements like this is a way "the Man" (or libtards, or "the elite", or whatever equally ambiguous and downright unintelligent equivalent) is trying to "control us" is freaking tinfoil hat BS.

C'mon guys. Get a hold of yourselves.

[Shockm]

Oh for the love of God. Being asked to wear a mask is not "authoritarian government." The amount of hyperbole and false equivalents spewed by some these days is pretty outrageous.

Most of the debate regarding vaccines and masks can be traced to an ideological brand of folks who apparently have never been told "no" in their lives. They grew up believing they were special and that they as individuals were MORE important (not just as important) as anyone else. And most frustratingly, they have been conditioned to believe that they have little obligation or duty to consider how their actions impact others. The concern for self greatly outweighs the concern for others. Unfortunately, our society won't make much progress until the focus moves back to the "we" from the "I."

I'm not Catholic, but one of my favorite quotes is from Pope John Paul II. "Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought."

I'm not sure that Muma's policy makes the most sense given the current state of the pandemic. That is entirely debatable--and an honest and worthy debate. While I believe that if you don't have a vaccine at this point you probably deserve the consequences of your choice, breakthrough infections for the vaccinated and the lingering impacts of the pandemic on health care workers is a consideration that I'm sure went into the decision. I doubt I would have made the same decision as Muma, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But to call this "authoritarian government" or spew ridiculous statements like this is a way "the Man" (or libtards, or "the elite", or whatever equally ambiguous and downright unintelligent equivalent) is trying to "control us" is freaking tinfoil hat BS.

C'mon guys. Get a hold of yourselves.

You are from Colorado? We just disagree. I’m vaccinated and don’t need a mask. I don’t feel safer, I have all the information I need, and think you’re totally wrong. But in Colorado, your viewpoint is right on.

[C0|dB|00ded]

You are from Colorado? We just disagree. I’m vaccinated and don’t need a mask. I don’t feel safer, I have all the information I need, and think you’re totally wrong. But in Colorado, your viewpoint is right on.

Tribalistic and ignorant of science...

What could possibly go wrong?

[Dan]

Right, what’s the point of getting the vaccine if they still require masks? At what point do they decide we don;t have to wear masks, because I hate to break the news, but this virus isn’t going away.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

You are from Colorado? We just disagree. I’m vaccinated and don’t need a mask. I don’t feel safer, I have all the information I need, and think you’re totally wrong. But in Colorado, your viewpoint is right on.

I'm also vaccinated, don't need a mask, don't feel safer with one, have all the information I need, and don't think you're totally wrong about that. I'm not sure what state borders have to do with this, but hey if you think that's an important consideration in all this, then more power to ya.

I just don't buy the BS that the Man is oppressing me. If an elitist libtard asks me to wear a mask to go somewhere or do something, I'll probably do it. Not because I'm a sheep, but because it's not a big deal. I'm tired of hearing how everybody's a damn victim these days. Wearing a piece of cloth during a pandemic is not an infringement of my Constitutional rights, for God's sakes.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Right, what’s the point of getting the vaccine if they still require masks? At what point do they decide we don;t have to wear masks, because I hate to break the news, but this virus isn’t going away.

Because many did not get the vaccine and they have the potential to fill the hospitals up delaying care for those who have legitimate concerns, like cancer, heart disease, etc.

We are still at 1500 a day dead and 10's of thousands in the hospital. The UK is also seeing a Covid infection surge now (many being reinfected) and they've been the leading indicator thus far for what happens in America. Also, new data is coming in that points to "natural immunity" having a shelf life of around 16 months. This means the unvaccinated who got infected, could be looking at round #2 very soon.

I believe this will be an arms race between vaccines, mutations, and waning immunity for the foreseeable future. We can't afford to have people walking around without immunization. We need mandates from grade school on up. No more monkey business. Let's get on with our lives and stop stepping on our own dicks.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Right, what’s the point of getting the vaccine if they still require masks? At what point do they decide we don;t have to wear masks, because I hate to break the news, but this virus isn’t going away.

You're right. The virus isn't going away. But the pandemic will if we get people on board with vaccinations and other methods to get infections under control. It's how we control polio, small pox, the flu, rubella, measles, whooping cough, and the myriad of other diseases everyone forgets about because a whole bunch of people get vaccines for them. Not sure why COVID is so different for some folks, but it is. For reasons I'll never really understand, it's turned into a political thing and it never should have.

[SB Shock]

Not sure why COVID is so different for some folks, but it is.

Coronaviruses are prevalent in the world and you will never get rid of them. The only difference with Covid-19 was it was a novel coronavirus that impacted the world because there was no natural immunity yet for it.

Things have changed since then we only need to "flatten the curve" mantra from Fauci.

1. There is natural immunity in large segments of the poplulation
2. There is a vaccine
3. There is treatment(s)

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Coronaviruses are prevalent in the world and you will never get rid of them. The only difference with Covid-19 was it was a novel coronavirus that impacted the world because there was no natural immunity yet for it.

Things have changed since then we only need to "flatten the curve" mantra from Fauci.

1. There is natural immunity in large segments of the poplulation
2. There is a vaccine
3. There is treatment(s)

Thanks for the info. While technically correct, I'm not sure how this information is actually relevant to my question of why COVID is treated differently from other diseases.

1. Yes, there is (temporary) immunity from COVID. Just like you have (lifetime) immunity from measles after you get it, (temporary) immunity from whooping cough, and (some) immunity from polio (depending on which strain you get).
2. Yes, there is a vaccine to COVID, just like there is a vaccine for all those other diseases I mentioned...that have been eradicated or controlled by vaccines...
3. Yes, there is treatment for COVID, just like there are treatments for those other diseases I mentioned

Again, COVID is a political thing and I'm not sure why. But boy, have the two parties drawn a line in the sand that neither of them cross. It's like the gun debate but juiced on steroids and with large explosions in the background.

[pie n eye]

That’s really what you meant, and from your posts, I think we know a lot about you. Very likely you feel comfortable with authoritarian government, and if you believe something, everyone should believe that way also.

No, that’s not what I meant. What I meant is what I said. 100% masking would make the environment at Koch arena safer.

Whether or not I agree that it’s necessary is irrelevant.