Masking, vaccination, and social distancing

[ShockingButTrue]

Not sure who all is, but watched volleyball matches both in Wisconsin and Nebraska this weekend with fully "masked" crowds and unmasked athletes.

But of course. Because vaxx's work.

[shoxlax]

Wichita State to require masks at sporting events – The Sunflower

If there was any doubt in anyone's mind.

Again, it's stupid, it's NOT following the science and it's nothing more than a useless exercise to exert power over people and to virtual signal, but whatever.

I don't know how they'll get around making the athletes wear them all the time, but we shall see.

The real issue is about firing employees. I don't want there to be a fight, I want common sense to prevail. But these politicians are pushing the wrong way, the wrong people.


And for the umpteenth time, I'm vaccinated, my entire family went to our doctors and asked and decided it was best to get vaccinated. I believe, want and encourage every single person I know or asks me to go to their doctor and ask questions and probe hard for medical reasons if they are considering not getting the vaccine.

But it's NOT Joe Biden's, or ANYONE else's, job to make people get something they don't want and to keep them from working and supporting their families is unimaginable, and if you think for one nano-second that if President Trump was still in the White House that libs wouldn't have pushed back against him making the exact same decision (which would be equally wrong) then you are the entire problem because you've made this political and weaponized medical decisions.

The masking idiocy will, in my opinion, hurt actual attendance, by 2-3k per game. Now I don’t know how many season tickets have been sold, but no concessions for empty seats will cost some serious money. Interest in attending college basketball games by the casual fan is already waning due to so many other options, this will just give them another reason not to show up.

I am not happy about the mandatory vax iron fist either, but I am vaxxed, and will get a booster when I’m eligible. It’s the ramping up the mask requirements that complete undermines the college experience 2/3 of the way through the semester when a) masks aren’t effective and b)
numbers are plummeting that is so illogical. It is simply a tactic to bear more pressure on the unvaxxed to make all of our lives as uncomfortable as possible until acceptable vaccination numbers are met (WETF that is).

[shock-it-to-me]

I have my doubts that this mask mandate will be policed. Will they really kick people out for not keeping them pulled up over their nose? I highly doubt it.

[ShockerLurker]

Whichever way people think about the requirement, if you don't want to wear a mask and one is required, don't be the guy trying to get in without it. Just go somewhere else.

We don't need entry level student/employees having to argue with full grown adults who don't want to follow the rules. Write an email or discontinue donating money or something. No reason to put all the stress on someone's kid who is checking tickets part time while studying.

[Eric]

Whichever way people think about the requirement, if you don't want to wear a mask and one is required, don't be the guy trying to get in without it. Just go somewhere else.

We don't need entry level student/employees having to argue with full grown adults who don't want to follow the rules. Write an email or discontinue donating money or something. No reason to put all the stress on someone's kid who is checking tickets part time while studying.

100% agree with this, but someone, possibly even someone from this board, will feel compelled to be the hero.

[Shockm]

A couple of libs saying that Shocker fans are extremists. I’ve read fans upset with Biden ( and his mandates), and maybe KBOR. Your assumptions that people will take it out on WSU employees is sick. But I can also see you libs trying to enforce mask rules, instead of taking care of yourselves. Maybe you should mind your own business and make sure you are vaccinated so you have nothing to worry about, instead of being the secret police.

[ShockerLurker]

A couple of libs saying that Shocker fans are extremists. I’ve read fans upset with Biden ( and his mandates), and maybe KBOR. Your assumptions that people will take it out on WSU employees is sick. But I can also see you libs trying to enforce mask rules, instead of taking care of yourselves. Maybe you should mind your own business and make sure you are vaccinated so you have nothing to worry about, instead of being the secret police.

I was literally responding to someone suggesting they wouldn't make people leave if they did that. So your accusation is very silly. Do you have something that makes more sense to say?

Seriously, basically anything would have hit the target more than what you said. So you have a perfect blank slate to work with if you want to try again.

[Shocker82/85]

Virus is going to virus and math is math. Because all pre covid knowledge about pandemics was dismissed, it is going to take a lot longer to get to herd immunity. Don’t fool with Mother Nature applies here. We could have educated the elderly, obese and medically vulnerable so that they could have made their own choice on how they wanted to protect themselves, and allowed the healthy to live their lives normally which would have spread the virus throughout the healthy population. Pre covid knowledge taught us that once a virus has spread to 1% of the population that it can’t be stopped, but we ignored that. I believe letting the virus spread throughout the healthy population would have lowered overall death. It was known early on who was dying from covid and what co-morbidities they had, but we didn’t use that knowledge to form public health policy. 99.75% of the US population after almost 2 years have not died from covid.

If you want to look at some depressing statistics, look at mortality for 30 - 50 year olds, especially men, The vast majority of excess death in that age group isn’t from covid. How many people died due to lockdowns? Public health policy is supposed to look at how any action will affect the society as a whole including the economy. How many people have died and are going to die down the road because fear of covid kept people from going to the emergency room or for routine testing and check ups that would have diagnosed heart disease and cancers earlier.

How many people could have been saved with early treatment? We could have started using monoclonal antibody treatment almost a year ago, but we waited until the last few months, when DeSantis emphasized it in Florida, to really start using it. The treatment chosen by doctors of the 74 year old, overweight President of the United States, and it was ignored for months by most hospitals and doctors. We could have used some very safe, existing medications off label and treated those with symptoms immediately and we still aren’t. We could have emphasized the importance of zinc and vitamin D, but we didn’t. It’s been known since the Spanish flu that masks don’t work in stopping the spread of a virus, but we made things worse by leading the vulnerable to believe that a mask makes them safe. Mask compliant communities have done no better than communities that haven’t required them.

If we wear masks at the games, are we going to bring 6 to 8 so we can change them every 20 minutes? Do we hold our breath while we make the switch? Are we going to close the concession stands so that there is no excuse for taking them off? Maybe we should bring Lysol with us to. It is estimated that 53% of Kansans have been infected by the virus, and 53 are also fully vaccinated with 62% having at least 1 shot. What % of the crowd will have 1 or the other if not both? I am working on that answer. Maybe someone else has it. How high does it have to be before it is good enough?

We have a therapeutic that is being called a vaccine. In a pre covid world, specifically the 1967 swine flu vaccine which was halted after 48 million in the country had been vaccinated because of less than 60 vaccine attributed deaths, the covid therapeutic would have been stopped to be investigated and studied more because of the number of deaths and adverse events attributed to it. I am not saying it hasn’t been beneficial to the vast majority that haven’t had a significant adverse event, but I am glad that I wasn’t one of the unfortunate especially since my good health means that I was at very low risk if I was infected. I am saying a drug with the vaccines safety profile would never make it through normal approval. We are still getting an experimental shot. The shot we are getting is not the one that has been given full approval. The shot we are getting wasn’t designed for the delta variant which is probably part of the reason for the breakthrough cases and that the therapeutic loses whatever immunity it provides over time.

Now they want to give it to children who have no need for it because there risk of serious illness or death is virtually zero. Did you know Pfizer’s study of 5 - 12 year olds included less than 1500 children and there was at least 1 serious adverse event that is known. We don’t know for sure that there wasn’t more. There are more than 50 million children from 5 to 17. 1 severe adverse event for every 10000 shots would affect 5000 children. Less than 700 children have died from covid and almost all had comorbidities. Over 6.2 million have tested positive for covid. Shouldn’t we at least test children to see if they have naturally acquired immunity before giving them this shot. Based on the estimate that I will mention in the next paragraph, over 27 million children 5 - 17 have naturally acquired immunity. That means 99.997% have survived covid. That is 28 deaths per million and almost all were already seriously sick. Over 560,000 of covid deaths have been 65 and over out of a population of about 50 million. If 55% have been infected, that is over 2,000 deaths per million infected, but the survival rate for the infected 65 and up is still 97.9%. Think about the relative risk. What in the hell are we thinking even considering doing this to our children?

55% of the country is estimated to have been infected. We have wasted billions on testing people that aren’t sick. I don’t know what else you can call tests that have come back 90% negative. Maybe we should spend some money testing to let people that haven’t tested positive know if they have naturally acquired immunity. Pre covid and even early on in covid, it was common knowledge that naturally acquired immunity is superior. The MRNA shot only exposes the recipient to the spike protein. If you have had the virus, you have been exposed to the entire virus which is especially important for your lungs. The number of break through cases in those with naturally acquired immunity is statistically insignificant. Any doctor or public health person that dismisses naturally acquired immunity as being superior to the therapeutic shot should not have a job in the medical profession. Common sense would be that people with naturally acquired immunity should be the most desired of employees especially in medicine, but we are firing them. Oregon shocker might be interested to know that only 34% of the Oregon population are estimated to have been infected. Some states are almost at 70%. Oregon has a long way to go. Kansas is at 53%.

I could write so much more, but I will stop.

1 more thing. Cold is full of crap.

[Shocker_Power]

I have my doubts that this mask mandate will be policed. Will they really kick people out for not keeping them pulled up over their nose? I highly doubt it.

So says about one airline passenger per day nationally.

[shock-it-to-me]

So says about one airline passenger per day nationally.

There aren’t 10000 people on a flight. Also, I was at a wsu opera performance on campus last night. 75% unmasked.

[SB Shock]

Let's go Brandon!

[Shock Top]

Like how they waited until they got as many people to sign up for season tickets as they could before making this decision.

[Shocker Mama]

I am fully vaccinated, but I will wear a mask if they require it. My main concern is that they will impose the social distancing requirement. That would have us back to very limited attendance. I missed being at CKA so much last season.

[Stickboy46]

I was curious if any other schools were going to run into this. First I looked up was Memphis

https://fedexforum.com/arena-policy-updates

Looks like they require masks AND proof of vaccination or a negative test within 72 hours.

Looks like fifth/third in Cincy requires masks and UC has the same vaccine mandate for employees/students

https://www.fifththirdarena.com/covid-19-info

My very brief search looks like half the AAC schools are gonna require them. The ones that aren't that I found were Tulsa and the Texas/Florida schools. So we aren't the only school that's going to be dealing with this

[Shocker_Power]

Like how they waited until they got as many people to sign up for season tickets as they could before making this decision.

Reminds me of restaurants back before the internet, that started going smokeless before the ban.They never advertised that they were smokeless until you got to the front door.