Rebounding Huge Weakness-

[Shock Top]

1st possession. 2 offensive rebounds given up.

[Kung Wu]

Nm

[ShockingButTrue]

And those misses resulted in a Top 40 Rebounding Team 17 out of 18 years. Lots of excuses. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. which is what GM preached all the time

They're #30 this year.

Last year (2020) WSU finished tied for 27th nationally in team rebounds at 39.3 per game. Thus far this year they are tied for 30th (updated to 15 games) at 39.7 per game (actually more boards per game). Here are some team rebounding stats from the last 5 years:

2019: Tied for 57th at 37.8.
2018: Tied for 9th at 40.5.
2017: Tied for 5th at 40.8.
2016: Tied for 99th at 37.5 (Play-in)
2015: Tied for 104th at 35.6 (The year we beat the ChickenHawks).

Reference: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas.../stat/rebounds

[Shock Top]

RPG isn’t what they are measuring.

I believe it’s some sort of % of RBS (efficiency)

[SubGod22]

Number of rebound opportunities matters. Rebound differential is my go to.

[pie n eye]

Number of rebound opportunities matters. Rebound differential is my go to.

Here is why rebound rate is a better stat in my opinion.

Team A shoots 10-40 and has 10 offensive rebounds.
Team B shoots 10-20 and has 5 offensive rebounds.

Team A has a 5 rebound edge but only grabbed 33% of available rebounds. Team B “loses” by 5 but grabbed 50% of available rebounds.

[SubGod22]

Here is why rebound rate is a better stat in my opinion.

Team A shoots 10-40 and has 10 offensive rebounds.
Team B shoots 10-20 and has 5 offensive rebounds.

Team A has a 5 rebound edge but only grabbed 33% of available rebounds. Team B “loses” by 5 but grabbed 50% of available rebounds.

I get it. I'm just lazy and after a day of working with numbers I keep it simple. Do we out rebound our opponents or not.

[Shockm]

Number of rebound opportunities matters. Rebound differential is my go to.

Per one game, + and - Rebounds is a simple snapshot that tells a lot and one can get good information if done for a year. Percentage of rebound opportunities gives a little more information (which we are around 240 out of 350 teams).

Tonight we were -4. The only games we have finished rebounding in the + column are Tulsa twice who is rated lower than us on percentage opportunities (250 last I checked), and Ole Miss who is actually a very good rebounding team and ranks in the Top 50 (last I checked). We out rebounded Mississippi by +3.

ORU is ranked lower than us but still out rebounded us by -2. That shows how bad we are.

By the way, Eldridge’s story in the paper said we were 340 on defensive rebounds. I’ve never researched anything but total rebounds. Total rebounds are the numbers I gave you above. We are worse on defensive rebounding.

[Shock Top]

Here is why rebound rate is a better stat in my opinion.

Team A shoots 10-40 and has 10 offensive rebounds.
Team B shoots 10-20 and has 5 offensive rebounds.

Team A has a 5 rebound edge but only grabbed 33% of available rebounds. Team B “loses” by 5 but grabbed 50% of available rebounds.

Team B also gets 66% of available defensive RBS. Whereas, Team A only grabs 50%.

This must be similar to what #s Taylor is talking about.

[Shockm]

Team B also gets 66% of available defensive RBS. Whereas, Team A only grabs 50%.

This must be similar to what #s Taylor is talking about.

This is an NCAA rebounding percentage table. It shows only total percentages. Taylor’s broke it down even more with offense and defensive rebounds.

And he said we are #340 on defensive rebs. We are #243 on this table (total rebs) that goes through today. Feb. 10. I don’t think it includes tonight.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-ba...ing-percentage

[pie n eye]

This is an NCAA rebounding percentage table. It shows only total percentages. Taylor’s broke it down even more with offense and defensive rebounds.

And he said we are #340 on defensive rebs. We are #243 on this table (total rebs) that goes through today. Feb. 10. I don’t think it includes tonight.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-ba...ing-percentage

That site also breaks it down by offensive and defensive rebound rate.

Offensive rebound rate - https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-ba...rebounding-pct

Defensive rebound rate - https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-ba...rebounding-pct

[pie n eye]

@ UCF

ORB% 40.0 - Fantastic. Our best game of the year.
DRB% 54.8 - Pitiful. Our worst game of the year.
Margin - 5.2% - Bad but not even close to our worst game. Nowhere near where we need to be.

[WstateU]

I’ll just put this here; we’re top 10 in something...

[Shockm]

Yeaaaaaaaaa

[Aargh]

Maybe they became great rebounders at his practices.

Who ran the practices until November? The guys who aren't rebounding and boxing out are the guys who've been in the program a few years. The best rebounders in boards/minute are Jackson and Council.

If you want to blame coaching for the lack of boards, it's the guys with a couple years under Marshall who are disappointing and it's the guys who've had about equal coaching from Marshall and Brown that rebound better.

If Poor Bear and Udeze became great rebounders under Marshall's practices, they would still be great rebounders after just a couple of months under Brown's coaching.