Coach Gregg Marshall Investigation

[GottliebHater]

Is English your first language? Do you understand “I don’t think it’s probable but I could see...”? In my original post?

You’re still not answering the background question and that says everything.

You’re not an athlete, you never were, and your children won’t be. I’m sorry you have some other agenda or background that triggers with “abuse”, but you don’t know what you’re talking about.

And as far as a the corporal punishment - I don’t G A F how you justify it. It’s not acceptable and any modern psychologist would say it’s counterproductive. Unf*** yourself dude.

Lol I don't care what you think about me. Have a good one, though. I wish no bad on you or anyone else. I hate that the program is going through this, and I only care about and am interested in learning the full truth.

[proshox]

Also, how hard would it have been for ******* to find players who defend Marshall?

F***stick has been working on this story for 6 months and said he could only find 2, yet within hours of releasing his article several players came to his defense.

If Badman was REALLY interested in doing an unbiased article, he would have included that side of the story.

Some will say, “well, those players were before the incident, so who cares?”, to which I say “ok, but Shaq and others are no longer on the current roster, so who cares?” . Two can play at that game.

i hope Jason King (now at Outkick) or someone else is willing to step up and give the story from the point of view of how Marshall is loved and revered by a good amount of his former players.

I would guess that self-selection bias is probably critical factor.

Players with neutral or positive thoughts probably avoided talking to ******* for the fear that any statements would be misconstrued or twisted to fit a predetermine narrative.

I think most smart people avoid getting into public drama unless they strongly feel the truth must be heard.

another way to think about this... happy customers don’t tell near as many people about their experiences compared to unhappy customers.

Coach really needs Fred, Ron and Landry to come out in his favor. They overlap with the worst of the claims.

[Shock Top]

Too bad he was “before the incident” though.

Wonder if Ty Taylor feels the same way he does about Wiggy as he feels about a Shocker legend?

[ShockerFever]

Ty Taylor comes off looking really bad with his social media. It’s certainly not helping his case.

And yes, the common theme seems to stem from players who couldn’t hack upper D1 basketball and were ultimately destined for low D1 or D2 purgatory.

[Maizerunner08]

Again, not saying players are lying...just interesting the players speaking out negatively have been generally in the less successful group. Could some guys be a little salty toward 3G and the program? Idk, just an observation.

[Shock Top]

Ty Taylor comes off looking really bad with his social media. It’s certainly not helping his case.

And yes, the common theme seems to stem from players who couldn’t hack upper D1 basketball and were ultimately destined for low D1 or D2 purgatory.

They lost any moral high ground with that tweet alone and ******* loses his “no bias” stance along with it, by his quote tweet.

This only bolsters HCGM’s case that this could be a witch hunt.

[shock]

Ty Taylor comes off looking really bad with his social media. It’s certainly not helping his case.

And yes, the common theme seems to stem from players who couldn’t hack upper D1 basketball and were ultimately destined for low D1 or D2 purgatory.

Also a common thread with teams that tried to buck Gregg Marshall, and teams that had Patty Bummer’s influence. I’m starting to see why she was told to stay away.

[DJShocker10]

JT Durley just shared a post on Facebook in support of Marshall. Can’t get the link to embed on SN.

[DJShocker10]

This week an article was published about Wichita State Men’s Basketball’s head coach, Gregg Marshall. In it, there are allegations that Gregg punched a player, choked an assistant coach, and belittled a student-athlete in a parking lot. All of this comes on the heels of 6 players exiting the program in March.

I have been fortunate enough to get to spend a lot of time with Gregg and the team over the past few years and I would like to share some insight since many have been texting me and asking me what I think about all of this. Let’s break things down a bit:

(1) ALLEGATIONS vs. FACTS
Were you there? No. Was I there? No. What do we bring to the conversation? Assumptions. Only assumptions. As the old saying goes, “When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.” The definition of allegation is, “A claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.” I’ll be treating what has been said as what they are, claims without proof. I encourage you to do the same.

(2) PERSPECTIVE
The article written is presented with one perspective. Do we hear from Wichita State? Do we hear from Gregg Marshall? Do we hear from players who love and support him? No. We are only hearing one perspective and since it is presented as an article, many have taken it as fact. Without perspective from Marshall, players, coaches, staff, administrators, and more we are getting an incomplete picture. Go on Twitter and see what his past players are saying, you will see an overwhelming outpouring of love and respect for a man they love. That is not in the article, and its absence speaks to the intention of the writer of the article.

(3) WHO STANDS TO BENEFIT?
When claims like this are made, you must ask yourself, “Who benefits from this?” Who has something to gain? In March, 6 players left amid the weirdest ending to a season ever thanks to COVID-19. Many of these players thought they would be eligible to play the next season for another school because of the unprecedented circumstances. However, they are beholden to NCAA transfer rules like everyone else which means they must sit out one season. That is, unless, there is an extreme circumstance that could be claimed such as establishing a record of abuse. While Shaq has gone on the record, and been compensated for his statement (think about that), the article is full of anonymous sources and alleged, circumstantial allegations. The 6 players in the transfer protocol stand to benefit from a Gregg Marshall smear campaign in hopes the article sways the NCAA to allow them to play in the upcoming season. This is merely a theory...but again, think about who stands to benefit.

(4) CANCEL CULTURE
As someone who has firsthand experience of false, cancel culture, circumstances like this remind me how much social media loves to watch something burn. Not familiar with cancel culture? When something is canceled, it is nulled, ended, voided. Done, over, no longer wanted, like a TV show, subscription, or public figure. This sense of cancel is the basic idea behind the slang meaning of “canceling a person.” When a person is canceled, they are no longer supported publicly. Usually, public figures are said to be canceled after it has been discovered that they have done something offensive. It involves calling out the bad behavior, boycotting their work, and trying to take away their public platform and power. This is often done in a performative way on social media. In Gregg Marshall’s instance, those canceling him are doing so based on allegations and the singular perspective referenced above. You are smarter than this. Don’t give in to cancel culture when you do not have the full story, you’re just pouring gas on something to watch it burn.

(5) MY DIRECT EXPERIENCE
I have been to practices, watched film with the team, flown to games, been in the locker room, and have developed deep relationships with players and coaches over the years at Wichita State. Gregg Marshall is not physically abusive, he is not verbally abusive, he is not “out of control,” and he is not at all like this article paints him to be. Yes, he is verbally aggressive and has a voice that echoes off the walls of the practice gym. Yes, he is a hands-on coach who gets right in there with his guys to show them where they need to be on offense and defense. Yes, he is intense. No, he is not abusive. Let me say that again: Gregg Marshall is NOT abusive. I have witnessed Gregg demand 110% of a player in the gym and then wrap them in a hug after and invite them to his house for dinner to get some family time. I have seen Gregg Marshall support his players both on and off the court. His home is open to his players because “family” is what this team is built on. I have seen players look to him as a father figure and I have seen him treat them like they were his own sons. I have seen Gregg Marshall develop successful head coaches in his program through trust and respect - he delegates power phenomenally to empower his coaches and challenge them to be the best they can be. I have seen Coach Marshall win...and win the right way. I have seen him lose...and lose with grace. I have seen him sacrifice himself for his players, I have seen him give everything he has, and I have seen him create a winning program through the development of fine young men learning that winning is bigger than scores in a game.

I have also seen how much Gregg has done, and continues to do, for this community. He has become very involved with numerous programs and organizations to use his power of celebrity to bring healthcare, aid, and support to those in need as well as the disenfranchised. He’s the kind of person who would give you the shirt off his back if it would help you in some way. He wears his emotions on his sleeve. He always pauses to meet a fan, invites kids into the locker room after games, and genuinely cares about people. He is an authentically good human being.

As Coach developed Wichita State Shocker Basketball into the winning program it has become, things have changed in how success is achieved. One of those changes is the caliber of player. Gregg built this program by finding “hidden gem” players who wanted success more than anyone else and turned them into better players. Toure' Murry, JT Durley, Tekele Cotton… They were not top recruits when they came to WSU, but they developed into amazing players during their time with Gregg. Now, we find ourselves getting higher ranked recruits, which is great. But, it comes with a different mindset. A mindset of “I’m a star,” “I need more minutes,” and “I’m going to go to the NBA.” That player doesn’t always want to be told they need to work harder or that they won’t get the ball for the final shot. Gregg knows he needs to change the way he coaches for these higher-star players or find players more prone to being developed. I saw him actively working on this change to meet the challenge head-on and continue developing a winning program at Wichita State. Not all players will fit into this program, and that is okay.

Lastly, Gregg Marshall is an authentic person of integrity.

If you look at Gregg Marshall’s record (his record as a human being, not a coach) it speaks for itself. He’s a loving husband, phenomenal father, mentor to countless people, wonderful friend, and outstanding member of the community. If all you seek to find is negativity, that is all you will see. Take a real look at Gregg Marshall. Look at his reputation. Look at his family. Speak to people who truly know him. His character says it all.

Be smart. Wait for the facts. Judge a person by their reputation, character, and integrity... Not an article online.

I, for one, stand with Gregg Marshall.

-Shared on Facebook by JT Durley

[Walker]

Looks like add CJ Keyser as one of the ones on the anti-Marshall Train.

retweeted this too

From the "likes" looks like you can add McDuffie, Nurger, Hamilton and a former student assistant in Jacob Seidel

Hamilton, Keyser and Taylor aren't surprising at all. McDuffie is a bit to me.

Wow Ty Taylor calling Nick and others coons defending coach?!?! Wow. I’m sorry that dirtbag ever stepped foot on campus. That’s completely unfair and uncalled for. Nick and those guys clearly stated that they weren’t there for the year the allegations stem from and stated that they were just giving their experiences.

[Shock Top]

JT Durley just shared a post on Facebook in support of Marshall. Can’t get the link to embed on SN.

Another winner

[DJShocker10]

Another winner

I may be mistaken, but didn’t Durley spend some time on campus with Shaq? I think I remember a story about JT talking to Shaq about how there was no reason he shouldn’t dominate the conference and be a player to be reckoned with nationally. I seem to remember this being the case with them both being Marshall players of somewhat similar build, and because Durley was also a player that needed some of Marshall’s (for lack of better words) hands on guidance.

[WuShock16]

I may be mistaken, but didn’t Durley spend some time on campus with Shaq? I think I remember a story about JT talking to Shaq about how there was no reason he shouldn’t dominate the conference and be a player to be reckoned with nationally. I seem to remember this being the case with them both being Marshall players of somewhat similar build, and because Durley was also a player that needed some of Marshall’s (for lack of better words) hands on guidance.

They weren’t ever at WSU at the same time but I suppose JT could have been back in town some summer and spent time with Shaq.

JT is a guy who could be hating on Gregg right now...but apparently doesn’t...so that’s interesting to me.

[DJShocker10]

They weren’t ever at WSU at the same time but I suppose JT could have been back in town some summer and spent time with Shaq.

JT is a guy who could be hating on Gregg right now...but apparently doesn’t...so that’s interesting to me.

I recall him coming back to campus just to visit with Marshall and he was asked to talk to Shaq. Or something along those lines. Someone please correct me if my brain is just fabricating this.

[Walker]

Also a common thread with teams that tried to buck Gregg Marshall, and teams that had Patty Bummer’s influence. I’m starting to see why she was told to stay away.

It’s so bizarre how that dynamic worked. You would think the players from the later classes would have taken a mental note to steer clear from the crazy lady but she’s like that overly attached, psycho girlfriend with none of the perks. What incentive would there ever be to get entangled with this lady?