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Originally posted by Dr. D View PostI would Marshall is a very, very good or great coach - here's why
1 - He is acknowledged by other coaches as a "great coach"
2 - Look at his team he inherited to where it is now = we all seem to put Izzo, Self, Williams, etc as "great coaches", but look at what they inherited, some very good teams
3 - WSU's road record - one of the best in the country
4 - Post season entries
5 - Players in the NBA
6 - Koch arena sell-outs - number of
7 - His overall winning percentage
8 - The overall respect by other schools and coaches = "not to play them"
I think that bleedingnblackngold is correct - look at his resume
But these are great points.
And honestly, I am not sure you can fully label a coach great/good until their career is done and you can fully evaluate everything. I need to see how this AAC move plays out fully. It's still too early to know for sure.
However, he has guided WSU to levels I didnt think possible and helped to change how the Shockers are viewed nationally. So if he isn't "great" then I think he is on his way to great.
He is human therefore not perfect. And I do feel he needs to evolve as the game and players evolve. We will see if that happens."He called me around noon and was thrilled," Brandt said. "He said he was going to be a Shocker forever." -- RIP Guy, you WILL indeed be a Shocker forever!
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Originally posted by Shock Top View Post
The team that lost in the Championship game?
Yeah, that sure was a bad loss.
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Originally posted by SHOXAAC View Post
The great coach of a one seed should have beaten the 8th seed with a perfect record coming in...right. Listen, your fandom along with mine and everyone here on SN is unquestioned. Marshall won 5 MVC titles (actually shared one). Some may call that great, but how many of us bitched about how watered down the MVC had become? We made it to a final-4 under Marshall. So did Bruce Pearl, Frank Martin, Shaka Smart and Porter Moser. Are they great? No. Marshall won National Coach Of The Year honors (he had a great year no doubt). So did Bruce Weber, Rick Barnes, Jamie Dixon and Jim Larranaga. Are they great? No. Now, do I think Marshall is a better coach than most of who I mentioned...yes. It still doesn't make him a great coach...yet. As I have stated all along, I want Marshall to be our coach. I want him to eventually be great. I think he can be great. I don't like all the defections in the past few years. Maybe if he was a great coach some of those defections could have been avoided and his greatness could have been viewed in a clearer light.
I think we can all agree UK was purposely under-seeded that year and if we played any other 8-seed, we’d win going away.
Both teams played nearly perfect that game as Coach Cal said: “No way we should have played them that early. This should have been a game that determined who was going to the Final Four.”Last edited by Shock Top; March 14, 2020, 03:04 PM.The Assman
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Originally posted by Shock Top View Post
He may need to adapt some, I agree, but he doesn’t need to bend over backwards to please and kowtow to 19-year-olds.
The sooner they realize it’s not all about them, the better for their lives.
The number of transfers has being growing very rapidly in recent years and you think that will only accelerate when the new rules are apporved.
Roster stability may become even more of a challenge to maintain going forward.
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Originally posted by Shock Top View PostJust think about it....
This season WSU had:
- a team with less overall talent than conference opponents.
- a team with 90+% 1st or 2nd year players in college
- a team with a lot of turmoil
Marshall STILL guides this team, likely, in the right side of the NCAA bubble. That doesn’t happen by accident.
He’s not perfect, but he is a GREAT coach.
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Originally posted by SHOXAAC View Post
The great coach of a one seed should have beaten the 8th seed with a perfect record coming in...right. Listen, your fandom along with mine and everyone here on SN is unquestioned. Marshall won 5 MVC titles (actually shared one). Some may call that great, but how many of us bitched about how watered down the MVC had become? We made it to a final-4 under Marshall. So did Bruce Pearl, Frank Martin, Shaka Smart and Porter Moser. Are they great? No. Marshall won National Coach Of The Year honors (he had a great year no doubt). So did Bruce Weber, Rick Barnes, Jamie Dixon and Jim Larranaga. Are they great? No. Now, do I think Marshall is a better coach than most of who I mentioned...yes. It still doesn't make him a great coach...yet. As I have stated all along, I want Marshall to be our coach. I want him to eventually be great. I think he can be great. I don't like all the defections in the past few years. Maybe if he was a great coach some of those defections could have been avoided and his greatness could have been viewed in a clearer light.- I am tired of Marshall as HC of the Shockers
- I don't think he will eventually be a great coach; he is what he is IMO, a very successful mid-tier coach - especially in the Valley of Mediocrity
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