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  • #391
    For comparison (not that it's relevant, I was just curious), McDuffie is ...

    12th in the country in Defensive Rating.
    20th in the country in Win Shares Per 40.

    That's it. Doesn't crack any other top 20 for anything.
    Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!
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    • #392
      Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

      Really, because Matt Rafferty is ...

      4th in the NCAA in Offensive Rating, after being 2nd last year. WHAM!
      4th in the NCAA in Player Efficiency Rating. BAM!
      16th in the NCAA in field goal percentage. POW!
      20th in the NCAA in 2 point field goals. BLAM!
      12th in the NCAA in steals. SOCK!
      2nd in the NCAA for CAREER Offensive Rating. WHAPOW!
      15th in the NCAA for Defensive Rating. ZAP!
      4th in the NCAA for Offensive Win Shares. And I don't even know what that means!
      3rd in the NCAA for Defensive Win Shares. And I don't know what those are either, but it makes him ...
      1st in the NCAA for Win Shares. That's good right?! I'm not actually sure.
      9th in the NCAA for Plus/Minus. K.O.!!!

      These rankings aren't conference rankings, they are rankings for all NCAA players in the entire COUNTRY.

      I mean this guy is a statistic MONSTER!

      I know what happened! When he was offered, TheShocktocles took the blue pill. Should have went with the red one!
      And yet AM & JE played him to neraly a draw!
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      • ShockTalk
        #392.1
        ShockTalk commented
        March 22, 2019, 04:03 PM
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        Both had to play a little soft and they still had 8 fouls between them. He also was not playing 100%. Either one of our guys by his self and a weaker backup and Rafferty would have had us in real trouble.
    • #393
      Originally posted by im4wsu View Post
      And yet AM & JE played him to neraly a draw!
      Absolutely. When AM was being backed down, he was defending very well. His role was to slow the defender down and stay between Rafferty and the basket until the help came. For many of the earlier possessions the help never came. Toward the end of the half, you could see our guards adjusting and the help started arriving -- and it started slowing Rafferty's output down.
      Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!
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      • Topshock
        #393.1
        Topshock commented
        March 23, 2019, 10:47 AM
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        There was no help coming. That is exactly what Furman wanted WSU to do. If they left their shooter Rafferty would then pass out for a 3.
      • Kung Wu
        #393.2
        Kung Wu commented
        March 23, 2019, 02:48 PM
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        Yes, that's the true art of defending ... finding the right spacing, and knowing when to delay versus when to commit.
    • #394
      Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

      Really, because Matt Rafferty is ...

      4th in the NCAA in Offensive Rating, after being 2nd last year. WHAM!
      4th in the NCAA in Player Efficiency Rating. BAM!
      16th in the NCAA in field goal percentage. POW!
      20th in the NCAA in 2 point field goals. BLAM!
      12th in the NCAA in steals. SOCK!
      2nd in the NCAA for CAREER Offensive Rating. WHAPOW!
      15th in the NCAA for Defensive Rating. ZAP!
      4th in the NCAA for Offensive Win Shares. And I don't even know what that means!
      3rd in the NCAA for Defensive Win Shares. And I don't know what those are either, but it makes him ...
      1st in the NCAA for Win Shares. That's good right?! I'm not actually sure.
      9th in the NCAA for Plus/Minus. K.O.!!!

      These rankings aren't conference rankings, they are rankings for all NCAA players in the entire COUNTRY.

      I mean this guy is a statistic MONSTER!

      I know what happened! When he was offered, TheShocktocles took the blue pill. Should have went with the red one!
      OWNED
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      • #395
        Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

        Really, because Matt Rafferty is ...

        4th in the NCAA in Offensive Rating, after being 2nd last year. WHAM!
        4th in the NCAA in Player Efficiency Rating. BAM!
        16th in the NCAA in field goal percentage. POW!
        20th in the NCAA in 2 point field goals. BLAM!
        12th in the NCAA in steals. SOCK!
        2nd in the NCAA for CAREER Offensive Rating. WHAPOW!
        15th in the NCAA for Defensive Rating. ZAP!
        4th in the NCAA for Offensive Win Shares. And I don't even know what that means!
        3rd in the NCAA for Defensive Win Shares. And I don't know what those are either, but it makes him ...
        1st in the NCAA for Win Shares. That's good right?! I'm not actually sure.
        9th in the NCAA for Plus/Minus. K.O.!!!

        These rankings aren't conference rankings, they are rankings for all NCAA players in the entire COUNTRY.

        I mean this guy is a statistic MONSTER!

        I know what happened! When he was offered, TheShocktocles took the blue pill. Should have went with the red one!
        Are you trying to convince me or yourself. I am still laughing.

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        • #396
          Originally posted by TheShocktocles View Post

          Are you trying to convince me or yourself. I am still laughing.
          You're now laughing at stats?
          Deuces Valley.
          ... No really, deuces.
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          • #397
            I am sure his stats are pretty good in that tough conference he plays in. And I am sure he will be voted an AP All American. He is awesome. And let's not forget he will be drafted in the first round of the NBA because he is so good. Yeah those stats sold me. He is the is the best.

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            • WstateU
              #397.1
              WstateU commented
              March 22, 2019, 01:58 PM
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              I remember a slow, short, non-athletic MVC Mid-Major #betonyourself point guard that never had a chance to play at the highest level... see how that worked out. I learned a long time ago (remember, I’m as old as dirt) to not underestimate anyone or anything. What’s inside a person and between his/her ears often makes the difference.
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          • #398
            Originally posted by TheShocktocles View Post
            I am sure his stats are pretty good in that tough conference he plays in. And I am sure he will be voted an AP All American. He is awesome. And let's not forget he will be drafted in the first round of the NBA because he is so good. Yeah those stats sold me. He is the is the best.
            Pst...he owned (while not being 100%) the post players of the 6th best team in the AAC. I'm sure he would warrant time, effort and energy on the part of any AAC teams' scout when playing Furman. I would let this topic settle and harden...kind of like fudge. Your take and strategy on this is all fudged up.
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            • #399
              Originally posted by SHOXAAC View Post

              Pst...he owned (while not being 100%) the post players of the 6th best team in the AAC. I'm sure he would warrant time, effort and energy on the part of any AAC teams' scout when playing Furman. I would let this topic settle and harden...kind of like fudge. Your take and strategy on this is all fudged up.
              Man that's different food analogy. But your right those stats made the case that Raferty will be great again. He is awesome!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for him to make the all American teams and be selected in the 1st round of the nba.

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              • #400
                Originally posted by TheShocktocles View Post

                Man that's different food analogy. But your right those stats made the case that Raferty will be great again. He is awesome!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for him to make the all American teams and be selected in the 1st round of the nba.
                If you still can't appreciate that being a great college player and a great pro prospect aren't always the same thing, you will fail to appreciate a whole lot of quality college ball.
                "Cotton scared me - I left him alone." - B4MSU (Bear Nation poster) in reference to heckling players
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                • #401
                  Originally posted by TheShocktocles View Post

                  Man that's different food analogy. But your right those stats made the case that Raferty will be great again. He is awesome!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for him to make the all American teams and be selected in the 1st round of the nba.
                  What can I say...I love fudge. I also like a good debate, so I am looking for one. Now, where did I put that fudge.
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                  • #402
                    I think TheShocktocles is begging for the Ban Hammer. Or at least a kick square in the grapes.

                    Where is Tyrone?
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                  • #403
                    Originally posted by Shocker85 View Post
                    I think TheShocktocles is begging for the Ban Hammer. Or at least a kick square in the grapes.

                    Where is Tyrone?
                    So because I have a different opinion than you and others I should be banned? And because I have a different opinion than you, your now talking violence that I should be kicked in the grapes. Well that seems fair.

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                    • WstateU
                      #403.1
                      WstateU commented
                      March 22, 2019, 03:51 PM
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                      Have a little sense of humor; it sure helps around here. Also keep a sarcasm meter handy. But whatever you do, beware of the 'kick to the grapes', that can be very painful.
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                  • #404
                    Rafferty's game hangs well with most college teams, including those in our zone of quality this year. Would he have more trouble against the very best college bigs? Probably, but I don't think he would get shut down completely. His coach then has used his skill set to maximize others on his team.

                    Does his game translate to the NBA? Probably not. But that is not the argument most of us are making here. He IS a very effective college player who may not get a whiff of the NBA. There have been and always will be plenty of players who fall into that category.
                    Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr. Seuss
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                    • #405
                      Originally posted by TheShocktocles View Post

                      So because I have a different opinion than you and others I should be banned? And because I have a different opinion than you, your now talking violence that I should be kicked in the grapes. Well that seems fair.
                      Different opinions don't bother me. Stupidity does.
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