Next season outlook.....good, bad or indifferent.

[1979Shocker]

If the reason TRich didn't get into many games this year was because he didn't know the system well enough, then he should do okay next year.

[wu_shizzle]

Coach should have put Trich in Saturday he couldnt have done any worse then the seniors

Can't really argue with that, except most of the Seniors are bigs.

[pinstripers]

TRich has had 2 full years to learn the system. He should know it. If he doesn't, he needs to go. Nope, I suspect it's a talent issue, which, if that's the case...........

[SpanglerFan316]

Marshall can coach.
Is too much depth a problem? Maybe not so much if the athletes were the calibur we thought they were. Our performance was that of a squad that was 10 deep with all being average players.

In order to be a top team - we need a league MVP and leader. Anyone, anyone?

Marshall can coach.

When you watch WSU half court offense, you have to wonder what is the offensive scheme. Is it just "run around like crazy, set weak screens, and hope for the best?" How many times did we waste 20 seconds tossing the ball around just to get back to the same situation (with 20 seconds less on the shot clock)?

When Stutz works hard to establish good position down low, why doesn't he get the ball?

Remember when Wilson & Miller played the 4 & 5 positions? What was our offensive scheme then?

The "motion offense" is a joke when playing against a disciplined, prepared team.

[RoyalShock]

There is one area of offensive coaching that I do think is a weakness of Marshall. If our post players receive the ball within 15 feet of the basket they always try to make something happen. Durley is black hole. Stutz and Ellis will force it when their backs are to the basket.

Yes, we want to get the ball inside, but that doesn't mean that is the best look we will get. Miller and Wilson were both very good at passing out of the post.

To be fair, our current post players didn't have the luxury of having 3-pt shooters like Burns, Ogirri, Braeuer, and Cooz that the other team had to respect.

And because it seems like Marshall wants our post players to make something happen, we don't have cutters to the basket so as not to draw in the defense.

[wu_shizzle]

To be fair, our current post players didn't have the luxury of having 3-pt shooters like Burns, Ogirri, Braeuer, and Cooz that the other team had to respect.

We have plenty of 3 point shooters. They just got easy to defend because of the simplicity of the offense or the inability to adapt to the defense.

David Kyles OOC, and Ben Smith's early conference performances are a perfect example of ability being neutralized through scouting.

Again, this goes to coaching and the inability to adapt your players' strengths and abilities to defensive strategy.

[Maggie]

To be fair, our current post players didn't have the luxury of having 3-pt shooters like Burns, Ogirri, Braeuer, and Cooz that the other team had to respect.

We have plenty of 3 point shooters. They just got easy to defend because of the simplicity of the offense or the inability to adapt to the defense.

David Kyles OOC, and Ben Smith's early conference performances are a perfect example of ability being neutralized through scouting.

Again, this goes to coaching and the inability to adapt your players' strengths and abilities to defensive strategy.

I agree. We have shooters – and more of them then in years past. Ogirri was not the be all, end all, in set shooters. In fact, I am not sure I would want him on my squad. Don’t romanticize him or anyone else from the 2006 squad. The half court O excecution was lacking - was it the coach, was it the players.......I don't know. I do know we had difficulty producing good looks when it counted.

[wusphlash]

There is one area of offensive coaching that I do think is a weakness of Marshall. If our post players receive the ball within 15 feet of the basket they always try to make something happen. Durley is black hole. Stutz and Ellis will force it when their backs are to the basket.

Yes, we want to get the ball inside, but that doesn't mean that is the best look we will get. Miller and Wilson were both very good at passing out of the post.

To be fair, our current post players didn't have the luxury of having 3-pt shooters like Burns, Ogirri, Braeuer, and Cooz that the other team had to respect.

And because it seems like Marshall wants our post players to make something happen, we don't have cutters to the basket so as not to draw in the defense.

Along this same line; 1) we are not very good with entry passes to the post, 2) the post players are not strong enough receiving the pass and 3) the post players don't pass the ball back out often enough. I agree, one of the reasons Paul Miller became so effective was his willingness to kick the ball back out to the perimeter. Keep the defense moving.

I also hope the coaching staff works with Garrett on a 4-6 foot J or half hook. He shouldn't think he has to take the ball all the way to the basket.

[wu_shizzle]

I also hope the coaching staff works with Garrett on a 4-6 foot J or half hook. He shouldn't think he has to take the ball all the way to the basket.

See: Lil' Chewie.

[ShockerFever]

To be fair, our current post players didn't have the luxury of having 3-pt shooters like Burns, Ogirri, Braeuer, and Cooz that the other team had to respect.

We have plenty of 3 point shooters. They just got easy to defend because of the simplicity of the offense or the inability to adapt to the defense.

David Kyles OOC, and Ben Smith's early conference performances are a perfect example of ability being neutralized through scouting.

Again, this goes to coaching and the inability to adapt your players' strengths and abilities to defensive strategy.

+ 1

[Dan]

I hope Garrett Stutz attends the Pete Newell big man camp this summer. We need him desperately next year. Whatever he can do to make himself better, he needs to do it. Same for Toure and David, although I'm not educated enough to know what elese they can do outside of shooting 1,000 jump shots a day.

[RoyalShock]

2005-06 top three 3-pt shooters:

Ogirri: 91-206 - 44.2%
Wilson: 42-98 - 42.9%
Cooz: 27-77 - 35.1%

Combined: 160-381 - 42%

2010-11:

Kyles: 68-172 - 39.5%
Smith: 32-79 - 40.5%
Hatch: 29-74 - 39.2%

Combined: 129-325 - 39.7%

If you include the 4th and 5th best shooters, Braeuer and Bradley had about the same production as Ragland and Murry.

The biggest differential is that in 2006 we had two guys who were better "makers" than any of our guys this year, which helped that team spread the floor and open up scoring opportunities.

[ShockerFever]

Did anyone else think we didn't have the chemistry of a tourney team? How often did you see players play with the intensity, desire, and passion as Joe plays with, especially late? Just seems like it's never there with anybody else.

I know it'll seem like I'm picking on Toure, but whenever I watch him, his head is always down, he doesn't look like he cares, never shows emotion, rarely high-fives teammates, etc... even in the good times of games.

I dunno, you just don't see those types of attitudes with NCAA caliber teams. Somebody needs to light a fire under these guys. And I think it starts with the boss.

[RoyalShock]

And I might add that the 2006 guys put those numbers up against better competition.

[wu_shizzle]

And I might add that the 2006 guys put those numbers up against better competition.

Those guys also put up those numbers taking better shots, because of post strength.

The comparison of shooting percentages doesn't tell the whole story for me.