Shox versus Noles (Championship Game)

[SB Shock]

And it's bs.

BTW, Gene was also calling for the steal this year in these games:

WSU was still stealing bases on Northwestern Iowa with 8-1 lead

WSU was still stealing bases on Illinois St. 7-1 score in their 2nd to last bat on their way to a 12-1 victory.

WSU executed a double steal in the 8th inning against CU with 8-3 lead on their way to 11-3 win.

WSU was stealing with a 9-0 lead against SIU in what was equivalent to the 7th.

WSU was stealing a 7-0 lead against Bradley in 7th inning on their way to 10-0 win.

[DaShox]

Score by innings: R H E
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Missouri State 002 010 50 - 8 11 3
Wichita State 031 005 37 - 19 20 5

7th Inning: MSU 8, WSU 12

The game was a run-rule in the 8th. Hall stole second in the 8th inning. Not the 9th.

[lostshocker]

WSU executed a double steal in the 8th inning against CU with 8-3 lead on their way to 11-3 win.

you are allowed to do that to this particular opponent.

[SB Shock]

Score by innings: R H E
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Missouri State 002 010 50 - 8 11 3
Wichita State 031 005 37 - 19 20 5

7th Inning: MSU 8, WSU 12

The game was a run-rule in the 8th. Hall stole second in the 8th inning. Not the 9th.

So are you saying it's alright to steal with 14-8 lead in the 8th inning as long as your trying to run rule the team?

[DaShox]

If you can run rule someone in the 8th, I have no problem. Do it in the 9th, I have a problem.

The FSU steal was about one thing. And it wasn't about getting an insurance run. That's why Gene was irritated.

[SB Shock]

If you can run rule someone in the 8th, I have no problem. Do it in the 9th, I have a problem.

The FSU steal was about one thing. And it wasn't about getting an insurance run. That's why Gene was irritated.

We'll I get the feeling that Mike Martin doesn't really share the man-love that Gene may have for him. And if your right they were doing it to send a message then the message was "I don't respect you and your program".

Only thing Gene really should be irritated is he had two of his highly touted draft picks come out and shoot blanks in two consecutive games on national TV where a trip to the CWS was on the line.

[7hottamales]

Score by innings: R H E
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Missouri State 002 010 50 - 8 11 3
Wichita State 031 005 37 - 19 20 5

7th Inning: MSU 8, WSU 12

The game was a run-rule in the 8th. Hall stole second in the 8th inning. Not the 9th.

So are you saying it's alright to steal with 14-8 lead in the 8th inning as long as your trying to run rule the team?

I actually think it does make a difference. There is a competitive reason to pursue a run rule. It could potentially save pitching, wear and tear on your catcher/players, avoid risk of injury, etc.

[SB Shock]

Score by innings: R H E
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Missouri State 002 010 50 - 8 11 3
Wichita State 031 005 37 - 19 20 5

7th Inning: MSU 8, WSU 12

The game was a run-rule in the 8th. Hall stole second in the 8th inning. Not the 9th.

So are you saying it's alright to steal with 14-8 lead in the 8th inning as long as your trying to run rule the team?

I actually think it does make a difference. There is a competitive reason to pursue a run rule. It could potentially save pitching, wear and tear on your catcher/players, avoid risk of injury, etc.

I would agree.

I think there is a line where sportsmanship does takes over, but I'm not sure it is right where some are drawing the line and where some are drawing the line - WSU has crossed.

Ultimately, it comes down to FSU coaches motives. Was he concerned about his pitching staff blowing a lead or was he sending a message to Gene. I do get the feeling that the FSU coach doesn't respect Gene based on when he refused to come out with his lineup card in game 2.

[7hottamales]

Just because "we've" done it at some point doesn't mean it's right...I think we can all think of a couple examples of that. I find that approach of rationalizing behavior as a bit weird.

[SB Shock]

Just because "we've" done it at some point doesn't mean it's right...I think we can all think of a couple examples of that. I find that approach of rationalizing behavior as a bit weird.

Well, I'm not rationalizing anything, I'm just pointing out to those who were so offended by FSU behavior, they really need to stand up and tell Gene they don't want to see that type of behavior from his teams.

Otherwise, if your only going to complain about FSU behavior, but ignore your own - then that makes you a hypocrite.

[WSUwatcher]

Stealing

I don't agree with the idea that playing for an extra run shows disrespect, SB, but you nailed it with your comment about Shafer and Capra.

Shafer has been the Shocks' best tournament pitcher the whole time he was here until yesterday, but his WSU career trajectory simply did not continue rising this season, and it caught up with him against FSU. Smoke and mirrors won't do it against that lineup.

As for Capra, his outing was just an embarrassment. I don't know whether there was a physical issue or draftitis involved, although I'm guessing that the latter was what first got him messed up and that he just never recovered his form. But to say he stunk it up today is generous, and what a day to stink it up.

Best of luck to him in the pro ranks, but frankly, the Capra we've seen for the last month and a half probably wouldn't even be a front-line starter for WSU next season. The version we saw up until then was one of WSU's better pitchers ever -- look at his career ERA -- but this new model won't be missed.

[SubGod22]

Stealing in the 9th was BS.

I don't agree with this statement. The game isn't over until it's over. FSU has the right to use their time at bat for as long as it lasts. Stealing bases during a game is good practice for the next level of competition.

Why would a coach have his guys roll over and take it easy on the competition when there's good practice to be had?

We got spanked good on Saturday & Sunday by a good team with a very potent offense....! Good luck FSU at the CWS.

Believe what you want. I was taught to play the game differently and the thought would never cross my mind if I were coaching. I guess you don't have a problem with a basketball team leaving thier starters in and running up the score against an over matched team even when the game is out of reach.

I certainly wouldn't tell the reserves not to play their hardest, just because the game is a blowout. You probably would, but then thank God you are not a WSU coach.

Way to not answer the question. If the reserves are in you let them play. But this game was with the starters and so was my scenario. Thank God you don't teach reading comprehension. Or at least I hope you don't.

[shockandawe08]

I've heard Terry Elliott say all year (and again today) that a batter doesn't have to get out of the way of a pitch (provided he's not standing ON the plate, I presume?), he just can't lean in to one. So, which is it? Also, I'm pretty sure I heard Terry say today that it doesn't matter if the ball hits the ground - or anything else that gets in the way first ( a lamp post ricochet maybe? lol) -and the ball then hits the batter, he walks. I also heard Terry point it out each time when FSU batters leaned in to pitches, but only one was called on it. I seem to remember at least 3 times the subject came up on the air in this series. Oh, well, here's to next year and at least that poor interfering schmuck of an FSU fan won't have to get an unlisted number or be tarred and feathered as he's rode out of town on a rail. hahahahaha. I hate blatant violence on television.

[SubGod22]

If they leanded in to any other than the one that was called they were much less obvious. That's the only one I would have been upset about had the ump not called it.

[RoyalShock]

NCAA Baseball Rule 8, Section 2-d:

(2) If the batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball and
the pitch is out of the strike zone, the pitch shall be called a ball. The
ball is dead, no runners may advance and the batter is not awarded
first base.

http://ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/2008_baseball_rulesc450c72b-4bb4-422f-9485-e7318255488f.pdf

Terry Elliot is wrong.