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Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
I don't know man. There are only 3600-ish pitchers in D1 baseball. Ignoring redshirt math, that means each class is about 900 students deep, give or take a couple hundred either way. If you are in the top 99.33% of your class, you're one of about 9 guys that can throw as hard as you can. "Dime a dozen" seems very flippant for an incoming freshman that can throw 93 before even stepping on campus.
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Originally posted by Shockersdad View Post
Candiotti had a great year and was 87-90. Obviously every starter needs a great secondary if not 2 good secondary pitches but 92 is plenty good enoughKung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!
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Originally posted by Kung Wu View PostQuestion for you baseball gurus: If I am an elite pitcher -- I mean super, duper good ... as in one of the top 10 pitchers in D1 -- do I really care if the batter is right-handed vs left-handed?Last edited by shoxlax; July 7, 2023, 01:46 PM.
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Originally posted by Kung Wu View PostQuestion for you baseball gurus: If I am an elite pitcher -- I mean super, duper good ... as in one of the top 10 pitchers in D1 -- do I really care if the batter is right-handed vs left-handed?
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Also, I absolutely love Trevor Hoffman, but he had some issues against lefties at times. Mostly because his FB didn't move much and while devastating to righties, his off speed pitches didn't break away from lefties all that much. Nevertheless, he was an all-time great and a very down to earth cool guy on top of that.
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Originally posted by Kung Wu View PostQuestion for you baseball gurus: If I am an elite pitcher -- I mean super, duper good ... as in one of the top 10 pitchers in D1 -- do I really care if the batter is right-handed vs left-handed?
No doubt, Maddux was an exception and not the rule among major league pitchers.
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Originally posted by shoxlax View PostWatch highlights of Mariano Rivera pitch against leftiest to understand why he was so dominant
As a general rule righty vs righty and lefty vs lefty is more advantageous for a pitcher, sometimes decidedly so depending on their stuff and what they throw. I think one of the biggest factors is that most good breaking pitches are moving away from the hitter in a in righty-righty and lefty-lefty match ups. However, there are always exceptions to the general rule. As shoxlax mentioned good pitchers can dominate anyone. Which brings up another general rule: good pitching beats good hitting.
Is also true that fans like scoring and home runs so if the pitching gets too dominant the rules get changed. This has happened in both baseball and softball.
The 1968 season became known as "The Year of the Pitcher", and the Cardinal's Hall of Famer Bob Gibson was at the forefront of pitching dominance. His earned run average was 1.12, a live-ball era record, as well as the major league record in 300 or more innings pitched. It was the lowest major league ERA since Dutch Leonard's 0.96 mark 54 years earlier. Gibson threw 13 shutouts, three fewer than fellow Nebraskan Grover Alexander's 1916 major league record of 16. He won all 12 starts in June and July, pitching a complete game every time, (eight of which were shutouts), and allowed only six earned runs in 108 innings pitched (a 0.50 ERA). Gibson pitched 47 consecutive scoreless innings during this stretch, at the time the third-longest scoreless streak in major league history. He also struck out 91 batters, and he won two consecutive NL Player of the Month awards. Gibson finished the season with 28 complete games out of 34 games started. Of the games he didn't complete, he was pinch-hit for, meaning Gibson was not removed from the mound for another pitcher for the entire season.
After the 1968 season, a Major League rules panel got together and voted to lower the mound from 15 inches to 10, shrinking the strike zone to the top of the knees to the armpit (rather than shoulders and knees) and to be extra vigilant against doctored baseballs. Although I don't thing Gibson was ever accused of doctoring the baseball.
Here is the history of the strikes zone over the years: https://www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/strike-zone
While this is the rule book strike zone, my observation has been the high strike above the top of the uniform pants is not consistently called a strike. In fact, seems to m it's rarely called a strike. If it was you would have more pitchers, especially the hard thowers, living there.Last edited by 1972Shocker; July 7, 2023, 01:56 PM.
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Originally posted by ShockTalk View Post
To be one of the top pitchers at any level, you don't have to be a flame thrower if you have an array of pitches and good/great command. Not saying it isn't a big plus, however.
No doubt, Maddux was an exception and not the rule among major league pitchers.
This should have been their theme song:
Last edited by 1972Shocker; July 7, 2023, 01:38 PM.
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