Valley Thoughts

[Kung Wu]

Valley of Death --> Valley of Even --> Valley no one wants to win

MVC = Minimum Variance Conference

[Play Angry]

I posted the note on attendance below on the MVC board but thought some here might enjoy it as well.


MVC Attendance Year-by-Year

2017-18 (to date) - 3,569
2016-17 - 5,010
2015-16 - 5,051
2014-15 - 5,176
2013-14 - 5,599
2012-13 - 7,270
2011-12 - 7,064
2010-11 - 7,187
2009-10 - 7,397
2008-09 - 7,752
2007-08 - 7,877

Obviously WSU's departure in 2017 and Creighton's departure in 2013 had significant impacts, but there is more to the story. Below are members' average attendance figures to date for 2017-18:

Bradley - 5007
Illinois State - 4652
Missouri State - 4401
Northern Iowa - 4062
Evansville- 3675
Southern Illinois - 3579
Indiana State - 3201
Valparaiso - 2650
Drake - 2621
Loyola - 1839

Now, below are historical snapshots for each current member school taken in 5 year intervals over the past 20 years:

Bradley - 2012-13 - 6557; 2007-08 - 9600; 2002-03 - 9351; 1997-98 - 9769
Illinois State - 2012-13 - 6541; 2007-08 - 6516; 2002-03 - 6021; 1997-98 - 8694
Missouri State - 2012-13 - 6080; 2007-08 - 6241; 2002-03 - 6295; 1997-98 -7161
Northern Iowa - 2012-13 - 4249; 2007-08 - 5096; 2002-03 - 3220; 1997-98 - 3564
Evansville- 2012-13 - 4463; 2007-08 - 5486; 2002-03 - 6671; 1997-98 - 8177
Southern Illinois - 2012-13 - 5007; 2007-08 - 6660; 2002-03 - 6567; 1997-98 - 3420
Indiana State - 2012-13 - 5726; 2007-08 - 4289; 2002-03 - 4339; 1997-98 - 6652
Valparaiso - 2012-13 - 3173; 2007-08 - 3666; 2002-03 - 4376; 1997-98 - 3861
Drake - 2012-13 - 3926; 2007-08 - 6038; 2002-03 - 3969; 1997-98 - 4093
Loyola - 2012-13 - 2278; 2007-08 - 1776; 2002-03 - 3010; 1997-98 - 2775

Average Attendance for Current Member Institutions:

2017-18 (to date): 3569
2016-17: 4212
2012-13: 4800
2007-08: 5537
2002-03: 5382
1997-98: 5817


All data above is taken from http://www.ncaa.org/championships/stati ... attendance except for YTD attendance for 2017-18, which is taken from each team's statistics page from their AD website.

[WuDrWu]

UNI delusion in a snapshot post from their board:

I genuinely feel this team is much better than any other in the valley, they just haven't made the adjustment yet.
Unexplainable and unacceptable that it's taking this long for the coaching staff to figure it out and react, but we've seen in previous seasons that they will go on a prolonged run once they do make the necessary adjustments. I see no reason why we can't do that again, and run the table in StL.
We've played and beaten MUCH better teams than we're losing to right now. At some point the coaches will realize that when we don't wait 30 seconds into the 35 second clock to attempt to score, we can score more efficiently! At that point I have no doubt we'll dispose of the rest of the valley like the trash heap they are.

[Stickboy46]

might be a problem when you are waiting 30 seconds into the 35 second clock .. since you only have a 30 seconds. Would explain a lack of scoring.

[WuDrWu]

Lol exactly. The 35 second shot clock comment sent milk through the Doc's nose.

[Frank The Shock]

That 35 second shot clock will get you every time!

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Some teams have a 31.9 second shot clock

[WuDrWu]

Winning.

[Cdizzle]

Too soon. #triggered

[Dave Stalwart]

I'm gonna laugh so much if the Valley finishes with like half the conference tied for first at 10-8. And the other half will be just a game or two behind. Everyone basically .500 and no one manning up and winning the dang thing.

[Dave Stalwart]

UNI will finish 9-9 after starting 0-5 and have the RPI tie break for the 1 seed in St. Louis

[ShockBand]

UNI delusion in a snapshot post from their board:

I genuinely feel this team is much better than any other in the valley, they just haven't made the adjustment yet.
Unexplainable and unacceptable that it's taking this long for the coaching staff to figure it out and react, but we've seen in previous seasons that they will go on a prolonged run once they do make the necessary adjustments. I see no reason why we can't do that again, and run the table in StL.
We've played and beaten MUCH better teams than we're losing to right now. At some point the coaches will realize that when we don't wait 30 seconds into the 35 second clock to attempt to score, we can score more efficiently! At that point I have no doubt we'll dispose of the rest of the valley like the trash heap they are.

[Aargh]

There's good news and bad news in the Valley.

The good news: There isn't nearly the amount of turnover in the coaching staffs as there had been.

The bad news: Well, it's pretty much the same as the good news.

Has any coach other than Jacobson (currently coaching the last place team) ever made an NCAA tourney? There aren't many coaches who've even made an NIT.

[wufan]

I believe Lansing is the only other coach that has been to the dance.

[Wuchalk]

Barry should have gone but was left out by the selection committee; not sure what year that was.

[WheatShock]

Barry should have gone but was left out by the selection committee; not sure what year that was.

2006

Barry has the dubious distinction of leading the team with the best RPI to even be left out. They were #21 in the RPI IIRC.

[Aargh]

Barry also has (I believe) the 3rd best rpi to ever be left out. At one time he had the best 2 rpi's to not get invited.

Then he ended up at SIU after Lowry dug an eternal hole for that program.

[WuShock16]

From the “Are You Kidding Me?” file...

According to Bradley’s beat writer:

”An adverse reaction to a cryotherapy treatment has sidelined two Missouri State players tonight. Reggie Scurry and Abdul Fofana developed foot blisters after a whole-body cryotherapy session. Scurry is 3rd-leading scorer at 8.9, also 4.2 rebounds. Fofana not in rotation.”

Valley gonna Valley...

[Dave Stalwart]

Wait there is a guy named fofana?