Healthcare Hypocricy?

[wu_shizzle]

Actually, most of the low-income families do work. Some have 2 or 3 jobs. But with the low wages they have because of no skills or whatever (hence the low income), they aren't able to afford things such as health insurance.

I'll speak to the low income people I know in my own family. They are able to afford health insurance, they just choose not to. Health Insurance isn't as fun as having Cable, High-Speed Internet, eating at Restaurants and Bars, going to Bowling Alleys, etc...

I was thinking that when an uninsured low-income worker has to go the emergency room, that the hospital will just pass the cost on. But that isn't necessarily the case. The hospital will take steps to get the money from the low-income worker by sending the bill to a collection agency. The collection agency will take the steps necessary to get the money including garnishing the workers paycheck. Some employers don't like it when one of their employees has their paycheck garnished (because of extra paperwork) and could end up letting the worker go. So the low-income workier is worst off than they were.

Again, why do you think Healthcare should be free? How can you demand that someone else be charitable?

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

THANK YOU! I can't believe I forgot food! So, food more important than shelter and healthcare, but all are very important. Food, housing and healthcare, all free.

But that's it.

But thats not it. Dont have a home phone? Lets give that also. Oh, you travel. Well, then you need a cell phone also. Oh, you dont have internet? Oh, no problem. We'll give you internet for 2 years at $10/mo and give you the modem.

Seems to me that before long we will be subsidizing the gas they put in thier Mercedes to get to work while they texylt on thier iPhone and stop and use food stamps to pay for thier Red Bull.

[MoValley John]

But thats not it. Dont have a home phone? Lets give that also. Oh, you travel. Well, then you need a cell phone also. Oh, you dont have internet? Oh, no problem. We'll give you internet for 2 years at $10/mo and give you the modem.

Seems to me that before long we will be subsidizing the gas they put in thier Mercedes to get to work while they texylt on thier iPhone and stop and use food stamps to pay for thier Red Bull.

That is less funny than you think. Broadband access is more and more being considered a human right.

[1979Shocker]

Again, why do you think Healthcare should be free? How can you demand that someone else be charitable?

I had to double check what I typed to make sure I didn't mention "free" and I didn't. But I will mention that people are free to not be charitable.

[SubGod22]

I had to double check what I typed to make sure I didn't mention "free" and I didn't. But I will mention that people are free to not be charitable.

Not according to our government. They're forcing us to be "charitable"

[MoValley John]

Could someone explain how and why being charitable has any factor on Obamacare? Are you charitable if you support Obamacare? Do you lack a charitable heart if you oppose Obamacare?

[MoValley John]

Off topic from healthcare, this link will help make us understand the liberal mindset. http://sautercarbonoffsetdesign.com/...supremacy.html

[CBB_Fan]

My opinion is that no one system works perfectly for everything. Free market capitalism works great when companies are competing against each other and producing separate products, but fails when monopolies develop or when businesses collude with each other (ISPs are an example of the latter). Socialized services can provide better solutions in some areas while their inefficiency and waste hinder them in others.

For something like healthcare, privatized industry is not an acceptable option, for a couple reasons. The most important factor is that consumers do not have choice in life or death situations, leading to localized monopolies and giving insurance and pharmaceutical companies too much power. In the US, an overly privatized healthcare system has led to cripplingly high medical bills and obscene drug costs without increasing efficiency.

Obamacare was a pathetic attempt to fix that, and needs to be abolished and replaced with a more effective system. It did nothing to correct the problems of our privatized system, and in fact was more of an insurance bill than a healthcare bill. There are positives to the bill (parents paying for medical insurance until their child turns 26, slightly fixing the problem of pre-existing conditions), but it was at best a very slight increase in terms of healthcare for much larger problems in other areas (small businesses).

The simple fact of the matter is that the US needs a single payer system instead of a private insurer system. In the current system, consumers have the "choice" of choosing which private insurer pays the bills, but the real choice for healthcare is choosing the hospital and doctors that can best handle the consumers problems.

However, this should not be the universal strategy for dealing with problems because socialized services should only be used when privatized industry fails due to the corruption of free market dynamics. Healthcare is just one great example of an industry that privatization cannot handle.

[WuDrWu]

The simple fact of the matter is that the US needs a single payer system instead of a private insurer system.

Pardon me?

[SubGod22]

That is simply one of the most insane things I've ever heard/read. The health care industry needs some work, gov't takeover is not the answer.

[wu_shizzle]

For something like healthcare, privatized industry is not an acceptable option, for a couple reasons... Healthcare is just one great example of an industry that privatization cannot handle.

See, I believe that a Healthcare system in which you get the level of care you can afford or can find someone to charitably and generously give to you, is this solution to our current system.

I have not seen an industry that isn't better off in the free market.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

I think some people would enjoy reading about Charity Hospital in New Orleans. What it was able to do for a century was incredible. The fact that it did not reopen after Katrina was a symbol not to the change in times, but the fact that free healthcare is no longer sustainable.

[MoValley John]

I understand younger people thinking single payer works better than privatized healthcare. All they have known is a dysfunctional system that gets more and more expensive every year. What they don't know, nor do they understand, is that privatized healthcare worked. It was the cheapest and best in the world. Healthcare began to deteriorate in the 70's and 80's. The cause was not the private sector, but government regulations and rules. Medicare was still in its infancy, but wasn't working and costing too much. In an effort to control costs and fix medicare, the government began writing laws and regulations, all which crossed over into the private sector. The mess continued to grow.

In the end, government regulation created the mess, but it is the private sector which gets the blame. Moreover, after creating the mess, it is also the government we look to in order to fix the mess they created.

[WuDrWu]

Thank you sir, may I have another?

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

I became convinced earlier today that the American Public is too stupid to know which way is up.

The Facebook generation can make anything true simply by posting it. Free cruise from "Disney Cruise Line . " Free Air for life from "Southwest Air Lines". It is 4 million times worse than e-mail propaganda. A quick search for Disney or Southwest would show you the links are fake, and nothing more than data miners. But over a million people have like and shared these statuses. And there are THOUSANDS more with just as many.

I have read everything from "Obamacare will pay for your healthcare if you share this" to "Healthcare will go up 600% if Obamacare is repealed".

The truth is not as important as the appearance of the truth. And ignorance is the biggest asset of those forcing their own agenda.

I am in firm belief that the Republicans are equally as evil as the Democrats. Moreso in some regards.

I watched the final episode of Newsroom. And as impactful as the first episode was, that episode was even moreso.

SMH. We are ALL screwed.