Johnson/Weld 2016

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I agree with this, but if you're Gary you have to know that, as a libertarian, people are going to be nervous about his foreign policy. It's assumed to be the area he knows the least about. He needed to be prepared.

Fair analysis. I can see it both ways. I just get frustrated by people's inability to allow for the human element of politicians. They are not computers. They will have brain farts on occasion.

I'd love to see someone pose the same question to Trump TODAY... AFTER all the big deal has been made about Johnson. "Mr. Trump, what about Aleppo?" Just ask it cold, without context. Now THAT would likely be an embarrassing answer!

[tropicalshox]

Not asked cold without context, but he was asked about Aleppo during the last debate. He took some heat for saying it is already lost, but probably close to true.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Not asked cold without context, but he was asked about Aleppo during the last debate. He took some heat for saying it is already lost, but probably close to true.

Right. I forgot about that. Yeah, would have been more fun asked cold so he had to show he even knew Aleppo was in Syria. Instead, the question basically gave that away.

[1972Shocker]

Actually not too bad of a foreign policy take from a guy considered to be a blithering idiot by some:

https://youtu.be/f9nYCOCxt3o

[tropicalshox]

Better than not too bad.

[Eric]

This may be my only option other than skipping the "President" section of the ballot. Clinton is not an option for me, and I wouldn't vote for Trump at gunpoint.

[wufan]

Gary Johnson has, on occasion, looked like a bafoon. He's not. I'm going to vote for him.

[1972Shocker]

Gary Johnson has, on occasion, looked like a bafoon. He's not. I'm going to vote for him.

One of Gary's problems is that he is not a typical slick political used car salesman bullshitter. The guy simply lacks guile. He is not made for modern video bite politics. However, when you look at everything he has accomplished and done in his life the guy has to have something on the ball that perhaps you have to peel back a few layers to get to.

Is he a perfect candidate. Far from it, but he pretty much acknowledges that he is not perfect and doesn't have all the answers. He acknowledges he can and will make mistakes but he will also own up to any mistakes and work to fix them.

In a way I am kind of glad he won't win. Seems like a really nice guy with a really nice life. Winning would only screw that up so he probably should send a thank you note to the CPD (D's and R's) for rigging the game against 3rd parties.

[1972Shocker]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/18/gary-johnsons-libertarian-rivals-reject-him-for-pr/

Let's see the Republicans don't like Gary Johnson, the Democrats don't like Johnson. the Libertairians don't like Johnson, Bernie Sanders hates Johnson, the left-wing media doesn't like Johnson and the Alt-Right doesn't like Johnson.

That seems like a damn fine basis for voting for Gary Johnson.

[Ixiah]

Definition of a Libertarian = an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.

Result of voting libertarian in this election = Hillary wins = massive influx of new democrat voters (immigrants vote heavily democrat) = exact opposite of what libertarians stand for happens!



Crazy world we live in ...

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Definition of a Libertarian = an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.

Result of voting libertarian in this election = Hillary wins = massive influx of new democrat voters (immigrants vote heavily democrat) = exact opposite of what libertarians stand for happens!

Crazy world we live in ...

Nominating Donald Trump secured Hillary's win. Voting for Hillary or Trump in November = exact opposite of what libertarians stand for happens

[SB Shock]

What went wrong for Gary Johnson?

The only real question for the rest of Johnson’s campaign is how much more ground, if any, will he lose? As long as Johnson doesn’t dip below 5 percent, he’ll qualify the Libertarian Party for federal funding in 2020. That still looks like it’s probably going to happen. And while that might not be the most glorious ending, it’s still a better ending nationally than any other third-party candidate for president since 1996.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-went-wrong-for-gary-johnson/

[Ixiah]

Nominating Donald Trump secured Hillary's win.

Did you say the same about McCain and Romney? Long before Trump the Republican party started shrinking.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx<br><br>

Try to think rationally on this - either the Republican party will have to either accept only being able to compete in local elections or move farther to the left to broaden its appeal thus becoming like the big government democrats. So not one but both realistic choices for Libertarians are sailing farther away from their ideals

Voting for Hillary or Trump in November = exact opposite of what libertarians stand for happens

???? Adults will come to realize in life there are some hard choices that have to be made by someone (when to put a pet to sleep, placing people in a nursing home, do you uproot your family for a better job, etc). Sadly elections are one of those as you are confronted by choices where neither seems a good one. However I am not going to selfishly "non-vote" by choosing someone who has zero chance of being president. As Cruz stated - its a binary choice.

Your statement = let others choose your president. That's not what libertarians stand for but a simple cop out! Some try to justify 3rd party by indicating it might result in future candidates trying to appeal to them. Well, sure, if there happens to be a future election that you live to see, if enough voters do the same that it is actually noticed, if you happen to be in a state that matters, if the election is so close that appealing to you will matter, if that the candidate offers enough enticement that you would change your vote, if the enticement wont hack off voters they already have, if the candidate actually keeps the promises, if the ... well you get the idea.

If you want to vote in the hopes of something so nebulous be my guest.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Did you say the same about McCain and Romney? Long before Trump the Republican party started shrinking.

Romney faced Obama in '08, a much more difficult challenge than Hillary '16. It is hard for me to imagine any Republican beating Obama that year. If it was Hillary in '08, I'm confident Romney would have won. Sometimes, it isn't just about "your team", but the strength of the opposition as well. Just ask the 2014 Shockers. Give them any other 8 seed and they advance to the 2nd weekend at minimum. Stupid Kentucky.

This year, there were a dozen R's that could have beaten Hillary. Unfortunately, voters are dumb and they chose Trump, one of the few who couldn't. The outcome in November was sealed as soon as that primary choice was made.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

As Cruz stated - its a binary choice.

No, its not. See more below.

Some try to justify 3rd party by indicating it might result in future candidates trying to appeal to them. Well, sure, if there happens to be a future election that you live to see,

Yikes, that's just crazy talk that I'm not even going to entertain.

if enough voters do the same that it is actually noticed, if you happen to be in a state that matters, if the election is so close that appealing to you will matter, if that the candidate offers enough enticement that you would change your vote, if the enticement wont hack off voters they already have, if the candidate actually keeps the promises, if the ... well you get the idea.

If you want to vote in the hopes of something so nebulous be my guest.

Your mistake is portraying my vote as more meaningful and impactful if I vote Trump than if I vote 3rd party. In reality, the reverse is true.

There is no possible way that my vote for Trump in Kansas will put him in the White House. No sane person could possibly think that he could win 270 electoral votes if Kansas is close.

As a Kansan, I can't change the outcome of '16. All my vote will do is give a tiny boost to a movement and hopefully impact the future. You are right that my voice is very small, but a small voice is better than no voice at all. Voting 3rd party does what little I can to shift American politics in the right direction in the future. Voting Trump would have no impact on who our next president is, and would in fact allow my small voice to have a negative impact for the future by letting politicians know that Trump is "good enough" to get my vote.

Holding my vote hostage for a better candidate is literally the only small thing I can do this year. It's an easy choice really.