Johnson/Weld 2016

[tropicalshox]

He had a brain fart. MSM had a field day on it and of course pretty much blocked out what he did say about his Syrian policy.

[Kung Wu]

Lol. It's interesting you personalize Others by attacking. I think that there are a lot of problems with federal programs and would appreciate state programs instead to help those in need. You'd probably be the guy who would take the grandma or great grandma who has outlived her family and has Alzheimer's or cancer and has outlived her personal funds out on the street.

I always thought that the democrat commercial of the grandma being pushed off of the cliff was unfair but now I find it was you who pushed her. Lol.

He wasn't attacking you or anybody else, but his grandma might want to double check the brakes on her wheelchair before she goes sight seeing with him near a cliff -- those east siders will do some pretty crafty things to collect an early life insurance policy, ya know?

[RoyalShock]

Johnson had a fail on MSNBC on morning joe. Asked how he would handle Aleppo - he had no clue what or where Aleppo was.

The NYTimes attack dogs couldn't get their knee-jerk criticisms right either, having to publish two factual corrections because they thought Aleppo was the de-facto ISIS capitol (it's not), then said it was the Syrian capitol (hello Demascus). And they had time to do research.

That doesn't absolve Johnson, but it is ironic.

[1972Shocker]

The NYTimes attack dogs couldn't get their knee-jerk criticisms right either, having to publish two factual corrections because they thought Aleppo was the de-facto ISIS capitol (it's not), then said it was the Syrian capitol (hello Demascus). And they had time to do research.

That doesn't absolve Johnson, but it is ironic.

I agree it does not absolve Johnson, but he has owned it and admits he screwed up. But he did answer the question once clarified. The fact that the MSM has blown this way, way out of proportion tells me that the MSM believes Johnson lis hurting Hillary. If the worst thing anyone can come up with against Gary Johnson is that he had a brain cramp when asked about Aleppo (with no context) then I would say this would put Johnson light years ahead of Trump and Clinton.

If I asked Trump what the significance of Dabiq is I suspect the answer would be not better than Johnson's on Aleppo. I assume Hillary would be more familiar having served as SOS but it's possible her brain damage would kick in.

[wu_shizzle]

The NYTimes attack dogs couldn't get their knee-jerk criticisms right either, having to publish two factual corrections because they thought Aleppo was the de-facto ISIS capitol (it's not), then said it was the Syrian capitol (hello Demascus). And they had time to do research.

That doesn't absolve Johnson, but it is ironic.

When the NY Times, who has luxury of time and resources, still can't get it right, how many Americans do you think will care about this next week?

[SB Shock]

I assume Hillary would be more familiar having served as SOS but it's possible her brain damage would kick in.

Is that why Hillary has the "ear piece" so somebody can do the thinking for her?

[1972Shocker]

Is that why Hillary has the "ear piece" so somebody can do the thinking for her?

https://youtu.be/kdW1wdpEP4Y

[SHOCKvalue]

If Hillary needed something to help jog her memory on the issue all she'd need to do is take a look at the ol' accounts receivable ledger.

#PublicServiceSacrifices

[Steeleshocker]

The idea that voting for a third party is a wasted vote is terrible logic. If someone thinks that a third party candidate is the best option they should vote that way. They have no obligation to choose a lesser candidate just to keep someone else out of office. That's ridiculous.

To quote the dead Abraham Lincoln video, a choice between a corrupt president and a crazy president is not a choice.

[Ixiah]

The idea that voting for a third party is a wasted vote is terrible logic. If someone thinks that a third party candidate is the best option they should vote that way. They have no obligation to choose a lesser candidate just to keep someone else out of office. That's ridiculous.

To quote the dead Abraham Lincoln video, a choice between a corrupt president and a crazy president is not a choice.

Don't take this the wrong way - Kansas almost always goes Republican so nobody should be fighting over this. The people that say a vote for a third party candidate is throwing your vote away are just viewing it pragmatically. The last 3rd party candidate that even finished second was Theodore Roosevelt 100+ years ago.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Even if a 3rd party candidate never wins the White House, voting 3rd party can still lead to positive change as it could impact future Republican and Democratic party nominees. Even if the R's and D's remain the only 2 parties with a chance of winning, they will see a voting block (3rd party voters) who is up for grabs and want to find ways to pull them in. The larger the 3rd party vote total this November, the more pull those of us who are sick and tired of Clinton & Trump will have in the future.

[wu_shizzle]

Even if a 3rd party candidate never wins the White House, voting 3rd party can still lead to positive change as it could impact future Republican and Democratic party nominees. Even if the R's and D's remain the only 2 parties with a chance of winning, they will see a voting block (3rd party voters) who is up for grabs and want to find ways to pull them in. The larger the 3rd party vote total this November, the more pull those of us who are sick and tired of Clinton & Trump will have in the future.

The Ron Paul movement has definitely led to more "Conservi-tarian" and Libertarian leaning Republicans.

And look at the Democrats, 8 years ago they booed God at their convention and wouldn't even recognize the capitol of Israel and they got whipped down ballot. Fast-forward to this year, they love them some Christianity and played up Tim Kaine's religious education.

[1972Shocker]

It doesn't appear like Gary Johnson will make it to the debate stage. No way will the Clinton machine allow that to happen because Johnson, due to the high support among millennials is taking more votes away from Hillary that he is from Trump. Maybe that is just as well as Gary does not exude a great stage presence. He is kind of an acquired taste that takes some time.

Still it looks like his candidacy will do two things. First of all if he can hit 7% I think then the Libertarian Party will automatically be on the ballot nationwide in 2020. Now whether the Libertarians can or will take Gary Johnson's lead and move more to the center and moderate some of their extreme ideology remains to be seen.

The election is also pointing to potential problems for the Republicans in future elections as their base is aging and the millennial generation which now exceeds the size of the baby boomer generation seem to be moving away from the current Republican/Trump party. However, it does perhaps give the Republicans somewhat of a road map on which direction they should gravitate to in the future. It is very possible Johnson's success could pull both the R's and the D's a bit more back to the middle. But we will see.

[RoyalShock]

It doesn't appear like Gary Johnson will make it to the debate stage. No way will the Clinton machine allow that to happen because Johnson, due to the high support among millennials is taking more votes away from Hillary that he is from Trump. Maybe that is just as well as Gary does not exude a great stage presence. He is kind of an acquired taste that takes some time.

Still it looks like his candidacy will do two things. First of all if he can hit 7% I think then the Libertarian Party will automatically be on the ballot nationwide in 2020. Now whether the Libertarians can or will take Gary Johnson's lead and move more to the center and moderate some of their extreme ideology remains to be seen.

The election is also pointing to potential problems for the Republicans in future elections as their base is aging and the millennial generation which now exceeds the size of the baby boomer generation seem to be moving away from the current Republican/Trump party. However, it does perhaps give the Republicans somewhat of a road map on which direction they should gravitate to in the future. It is very possible Johnson's success could pull both the R's and the D's a bit more back to the middle. But we will see.

Regarding the portion I bolded, that is my hope and reason for planning to vote for Johnson. But for the party to do what we are both hoping, I think they will need to attract new leadership. Otherwise, the current leadership may just feel validated and emboldened.

[1972Shocker]

Regarding the portion I bolded, that is my hope and reason for planning to vote for Johnson. But for the party to do what we are both hoping, I think they will need to attract new leadership. Otherwise, the current leadership may just feel validated and emboldened.

In the past the Libertarian Partry really never showed much interest in or desire to actually win elections. I suspect this will be Gary Johnson's and Bill Weld's last rodeo plus there is a significant portion of Big L Libertarians who really don't believe Johnson and Weld are true libertarians. They are probably right on that. Johnson and Weld are too pragmatic to be Big L Libertarians.