Johnson/Weld 2016

[shock]

It's sad that they are more aligned with what I like than Trump. Trump is liberal in a lot of ways and is bombastic. That makes me nervous. But if J/W splits the conservative vote and gets Hillary elected, I would not be able to live with myself knowing I contributed to the indirect electing of Hillary. If I vote for Trump and the vote is split and Hillary wins- well at that point I'm glad I live where I do.

[shockmonster]

It's sad that they are more aligned with what I like than Trump. Trump is liberal in a lot of ways and is bombastic. That makes me nervous. But if J/W splits the conservative vote and gets Hillary elected, I would not be able to live with myself knowing I contributed to the indirect electing of Hillary. If I vote for Trump and the vote is split and Hillary wins- well at that point I'm glad I live where I do.

I agree that I'm not sure about Trump and I could be wrong. However, I know Hillary who is more aligned (Johnson too) with Open Borders, BLM, Obama Care, no entitlement reform (not Johnson)Iran appeasement, liberal Supreme Court justices, and continuation of Obama's administration. I think (I will admit it's somewhat of a gamble) that Trump is still learning about what is necessary and will evolve into a decent President. If you are a liberal, you like Hillary. I think that Trump will be more conservative than you think but he is not a hard liner.

[SHOCKvalue]

I agree that I'm not sure about Trump and I could be wrong. However, I know Hillary who is more aligned (Johnson too) with Open Borders, BLM, Obama Care, no entitlement reform (not Johnson)Iran appeasement, liberal Supreme Court justices, and continuation of Obama's administration. I think (I will admit it's somewhat of a gamble) that Trump is still learning about what is necessary and will evolve into a decent President. If you are a liberal, you like Hillary. I think that Trump will be more conservative than you think but he is not a hard liner.

Why do you think Johnson is a fan of BLM/ACA/Obama policies? Not to state the obvious, but if he was then he wouldn't actually be... well... a libertarian. You understand what a libertarian is, right?

For most people leaning towards libertarianism, coming from both sides, it is unlikely the libertarian platform aligns exactly with your own 100% of the time; however, what you give up on your end results in a net gain collectively what with the concept that basically the federal government needs to fook off, get out of people's daily life, and revert back to core services. Some sacred cows of your own might have to be sacrificed so that Big Brother can put out of his misery, though.

[shockmonster]

Why do you think Johnson is a fan of BLM/ACA/Obama policies? Not to state the obvious, but if he was then he wouldn't actually be... well... a libertarian. You understand what a libertarian is, right?

For most people leaning towards libertarianism, coming from both sides, it is unlikely the libertarian platform aligns exactly with your own 100% of the time; however, what you give up on your end results in a net gain collectively what with the concept that basically the federal government needs to fook off, get out of people's daily life, and revert back to core services. Some sacred cows of your own might have to be sacrificed so that Big Brother can put out of his misery, though.

Yes, I didn't explain very well. I read that he is for Open Borders and I thought that I read somewhere that he was sympathetic to BLM. As for the rest of the list, I know that he is not for entitlement reform or Obama Care. I'm not sure about the rest. I apologize for the lack of clarity.

[_kai_]

Yes, I didn't explain very well. I read that he is for Open Borders and I thought that I read somewhere that he was sympathetic to BLM. As for the rest of the list, I know that he is not for entitlement reform or Obama Care. I'm not sure about the rest. I apologize for the lack of clarity.

As far as I know, Johnson/Weld are not for open border policy. They are not for open amnesty, but are for an expanded work visa application program, and helping the current alien residents who came to this country illegally, an easier and legal route of citizenship as long as they can provide background checks, no criminal record while in the US, and have paid taxes. I'd also like to add that GJ was a 2 term governor of a border state, and I think he has a drastically better view of the immigration problem than the New Yorker Trump, and Washingtonian Hillary Clinton.

I don't know if he's a sympathizer of BLM specifically, but he is for civil rights of all, and is a big proponent of police and prison reform. Of which, he has stated he'd do everything in his power to declassify marijuana, and reform non-violent offense prison sentences. I'd find it hard to believe that GJ supports the militaristic arm of the BLM protesters.

[SB Shock]

I'm probably the only registered Libertarian on shockernet. After years, heck decades, of watching the party flounder for various reasons, I'm a jaded "no" on Gary Johnson. I hope he gets to debate, because the de facto two party system is irritating. But Trump is better for the country right now than Johnson. And Trump is FAAAAAR better than Hillary for the country.

Mark Levin did a really good job yesterday why in spite of all of the baggage trump brings, Hillary has to be stopped.

before getting to Trump, Levin had plenty to say about Hillary Clinton. In short – she is far too dangerously liberal to allow anywhere near the Oval Office.

See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/c....S3sWoxEw.dpuf

[shockmonster]

Some sacred cows of your own might have to be sacrificed so that Big Brother can put out of his misery, though.

Lol. It's interesting you personalize Others by attacking. I think that there are a lot of problems with federal programs and would appreciate state programs instead to help those in need. You'd probably be the guy who would take the grandma or great grandma who has outlived her family and has Alzheimer's or cancer and has outlived her personal funds out on the street.

I always thought that the democrat commercial of the grandma being pushed off of the cliff was unfair but now I find it was you who pushed her. Lol.

[SHOCKvalue]

Lol. It's interesting you personalize Others by attacking. I think that there are a lot of problems with federal programs and would appreciate state programs instead to help those in need. You'd probably be the guy who would take the grandma or great grandma who has outlived her family and has Alzheimer's or cancer and has outlived her personal funds out on the street.

I always thought that the democrat commercial of the grandma being pushed off of the cliff was unfair but now I find it was you who pushed her. Lol.

What the hell! Irrationally project much?

"It's interesting" that you took that particular sentence as an attack personally aimed at you, rather than a collective statement.

Sit down and take a deep breath. Good grief.

[wufan]

Lol. It's interesting you personalize Others by attacking. I think that there are a lot of problems with federal programs and would appreciate state programs instead to help those in need. You'd probably be the guy who would take the grandma or great grandma who has outlived her family and has Alzheimer's or cancer and has outlived her personal funds out on the street.

I always thought that the democrat commercial of the grandma being pushed off of the cliff was unfair but now I find it was you who pushed her. Lol.

@shockmonster:...I think you took that argument to a whole other level and it's hard to follow why you would go there.

[shockmonster]

"It's interesting" that you took that particular sentence as an attack personally aimed at you, rather than a collective statement.

You appear to have a strong grasp of the English language. Even I can craft a better sentence than you did if I want to make the statement collective rather than personal.

[Play Angry]

He didn't literally mean your big brother or your sacred cow :)

[Ixiah]

As far as I know, Johnson/Weld are not for open border policy. They are not for open amnesty, but are for an expanded work visa application program, and helping the current alien residents who came to this country illegally, an easier and legal route of citizenship as long as they can provide background checks, no criminal record while in the US, and have paid taxes. I'd also like to add that GJ was a 2 term governor of a border state, and I think he has a drastically better view of the immigration problem than the New Yorker Trump, and Washingtonian Hillary Clinton.

I don't know if he's a sympathizer of BLM specifically, but he is for civil rights of all, and is a big proponent of police and prison reform. Of which, he has stated he'd do everything in his power to declassify marijuana, and reform non-violent offense prison sentences. I'd find it hard to believe that GJ supports the militaristic arm of the BLM protesters.

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Johnson:

"Open the border; flood of Mexicans would become taxpayers."
"My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour. Yes, we should have open borders."

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Gary_Johnson_Immigration.htm

Agrees with Bernie Sanders 73% of the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq3x71i1jF8

Praises Black Lives Matter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZoEFjYoKxY

Raise retirement age to 75!! (Jun 2016)
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Gary_Johnson_Social_Security.htm

Bill Weld:

Endorsed Barrack Obama!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWroClQhbs

"I though she (Hillary Clinton) was by and large a good secretary of state"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKSs_qMCKQU

One of Weld's first acts after being elected to a second term ... was to sign into law a 55 percent pay raise for the state legislature.
He agreed with Sen. John Kerry's votes on partial-birth abortion and in 1992 called even ninth-month abortions "a price I would pay in order to have government stay out of the thicket"

http://spectator.org/48129_understanding-bill-weld/

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Lol. It's interesting you personalize Others by attacking. I think that there are a lot of problems with federal programs and would appreciate state programs instead to help those in need. You'd probably be the guy who would take the grandma or great grandma who has outlived her family and has Alzheimer's or cancer and has outlived her personal funds out on the street.

I always thought that the democrat commercial of the grandma being pushed off of the cliff was unfair but now I find it was you who pushed her. Lol.

Wow. That is some first class mind reading. I never saw all of that in @SHOCKvalue:'s post. You must have an amazing talent to be able to glean all of that out.

lol

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

You appear to have a strong grasp of the English language. Even I can craft a better sentence than you did if I want to make the statement collective rather than personal.

Ummm...

For most people leaning towards libertarianism, coming from both sides, it is unlikely the libertarian platform aligns exactly with your own 100% of the time; however, what you give up on your end results in a net gain collectively what with the concept that basically the federal government needs to fook off, get out of people's daily life, and revert back to core services. Some sacred cows of your own might have to be sacrificed so that Big Brother can put out of his misery, though.

I'm not sure how much more clear he could be that he was talking about MOST PEOPLE WHO LEAN LIBERTARIAN. That is clearly a reference to a COLLECTIVE group and is very far from being directed personally at YOU.

[SB Shock]

Johnson had a fail on MSNBC on morning joe. Asked how he would handle Aleppo - he had no clue what or where Aleppo was.