Jeb Bush or Donald Trump?

[Rlh04d]

I love a good conspiracy theory. I wonder if he's also behind Fred getting left off the USA team.

I've reassessed. My new theory is that Donald Trump is actually a robot, and within his cool, orange steel exterior is Ross Perot, driving his Trump robot like that alien did in Men in Black. Secretly Perot's been a Clinton sleeper-agent all along, first dividing the Republican Party to get Bill elected, and then killing Trump in 2010, creating a Trump exoskeleton, and entering the Republican race to destroy any credibility or broad support the party could hopefully get to enable Hillary's victory.

Without question this Ross/Trump robot is responsible for Fred's exclusion.

[Rlh04d]

Oh God, it wasn't a theory at all!

[shockmonster]

Could this be by design? Maybe the republican mob bosses are afraid that if their was limited choices of only viable candidates, the support might start flow to a candidate they don't like. This way they dilute the support for any candidate from being to great, and then the better funded, organizes candidate (who they want) will emerge in the end.

The secret strategy may be to elect Hilary who is secretly in favor of securing the borders for immigration reform.

[shocka khan]

It doesn't matter if there are two or twenty candidates. This has become the standard strategy for everyone.

1. Candidate makes statement.
2. Opponent or opposing special interest group parses statement and declares candidate either "out of touch" or too extreme.
3. Candidate tries to correct comment and apply context.
4. Opponent ignores context and continues to bash candidate for original, out of context statement.
5. Press reports on "fallout" from statement.
6.Opponent continues to drive home out of context statement.
7. Press reports scandal brewing over controversy.
8. American public buys the mistepresentation.
9. Candidate declared unviable.

I would completely agree with this assessment, so long as we are not talking candidates in general and not Trump specifically. Yes, the fact that his business was breached is a relatively minor data point, as data points go, but it's still a data point, and I now have enough of them to make a bulls-eye on a scatter graph.

I know where he lives and I know who he is.

[shocka khan]

Since this crap should only be between cartoon characters and not between a drug cartel capo and a presidential candidate, I'm getting a real kick out of this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2015/07/13/latest-attack-against-donald-trump-tweet-from-account-labeled-el-chapo-guzman/

Chapo Guzman is much smarter than Trump. How someone with little or no education can run an illegal logistics company (getting drugs from the fields to the consumers) that could rival UPS or FedEx, make tons of money at it, and escape from prison not once but twice is beyond me. It is a testament to his tactics, planning and execution.

I don't think Chapo would hit Trump here in the US, but if Trump ever vacations in Mexico........well, let's just say I'd make sure I had really good personal bodyguards, kept my travel plans confidential, and had my life insurance paid up.

[MoValley John]

Since this crap should only be between cartoon characters and not between a drug cartel capo and a presidential candidate, I'm getting a real kick out of this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2015/07/13/latest-attack-against-donald-trump-tweet-from-account-labeled-el-chapo-guzman/

Chapo Guzman is much smarter than Trump. How someone with little or no education can run an illegal logistics company (getting drugs from the fields to the consumers) that could rival UPS or FedEx, make tons of money at it, and escape from prison not once but twice is beyond me. It is a testament to his tactics, planning and execution.

I don't think Chapo would hit Trump here in the US, but if Trump ever vacations in Mexico........well, let's just say I'd make sure I had really good personal bodyguards, kept my travel plans confidential, and had my life insurance paid up.

Please, please, please tell me this post is a joke. Please tell me you were trolling for a response and that your brain really doesn't think this way. Please tell me that you really don't think this is a reasoned response. Please tell me you are joking.

I don't even know where to start with this.

[shockmonster]

If there is anyone who like me cares about this issue, I'd like to hear from you. I still like a President who has somewhat of a moral compass. It seems to me that one thing that Hilary and The Donald have in common is that they both lack this. In some cases, that may be difficult to determine in Presidential candidates but to me, it doesn't seem difficult in these two.

[shocka khan]

Please, please, please tell me this post is a joke. Please tell me you were trolling for a response and that your brain really doesn't think this way. Please tell me that you really don't think this is a reasoned response. Please tell me you are joking.

I don't even know where to start with this.

Well, I'd suggest that you start by removing your filter about whether Chapo's activities are socially acceptable (which we both know that they are not) and whether his activities are good for this country (they also are not) and whether Chapo is a moral man (he isn't).

He is clever, adaptable, a great strategist, a master manipulator. He manages a criminal enterprise with thousands of employees that he built into a billion dollar empire. His net worth is estimated to be more than $3 billion dollars. And he did all this without a formal education.

I'm hoping that they catch him (again) and the Mexican government turns him over to us this time so that he can pay his debt to society for all the wrongs he has done.

But all of his crimes and lack of morals does not take away from the fact that he certainly knows how to build and lead a very successful organization. His people in his home in Badgruato, Sinaloa think he's a saint. He's built schools, parks and monuments and employs a lot of locals in his operations (even though they are illegal).

He's an interesting paradox. That's why the Mexican press has so much fun with him. Sort of like if you had a modern-day cartoon character you could draw as a deadly snake with a bad temper who talks like Robin Hood and has many people thinking he steals from the rich to give to the poor.

He also has a wide, long reach (all over the world). How'd he get control of the cocaine in Columbia? He sent in a team, they started hacking heads off and murdering people in ways far more vicious than what the Columbians had ever seen. He and other Mexican cartel leaders quickly got control of the cocaine market.

Or some of Chapo's associates who were indicted in Chicago who had witnesses mysteriously end up bullet riddled just before they were supposed to testify against him.

I would be very careful if I were Trump about how I engaged this man. Just like he had great miners who could ingeniously dig a tunnel a mile long to help him escape, he also has literally hundreds of guns for hire working for him.

[MoValley John]

So.... your brain really works like that. Got it! It would take too long on a message board to even begin to discuss the problems with your line of thinking.

[shocka khan]

So.... your brain really works like that. Got it! It would take too long on a message board to even begin to discuss the problems with your line of thinking.

I don't think you understand how I think, so I would probably disagree with you on that. Whether you like Chapo or not (and I do not), he is very successful at building and managing an organization, legal or not.

Here's a quote from:

http://blackchristiannews.com/2015/07/how-el-chapos-sinaloa-cartel-spread-beyond-mexico-and-into-the-u-s/

"Sinaloa was very much the instigator of much of the violence in Mexico in the early parts of the 2000s as they were trying to take over the territories of their rivals,” Felbab-Brown said, but noted that they were “much more competent in calibrating violence with other policies like social handouts, cultivating the church and they never sort of adopted the same level of violence and carnage” as others.

As a result, the group “never attracted the same level of priority focus from the Mexican government and frankly the U.S. [authorities] as some of the much more brutal groups like the Zetas,” she said."

cultivating the church = the Catholic church. From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_...sm_in_Mexico):
"The Catholic Church is the world's largest Christian church, and its largest religious grouping. The 2010 census reported that Mexico had some 101,456,786 Catholics among the population aged five and above, which equates to around 91% of the total population, making it the second largest Roman Catholic country in the world after Brazil."

Also note that there are many independent-minded priests who stand up to the cartels, but unfortunately are murdered by them:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2014/12/27/third-priest-in-a-year-murdered-in-mexican-state-of-guerrero/

[Kung Wu]

I don't think you understand how I think, so I would probably disagree with you on that. Whether you like Chapo or not (and I do not), he is very successful at building and managing an organization, legal or not.

I guarantee the critical assets that he makes a living off of (illegal drugs) are not properly insured and that he is WAY under insured regarding liability insurance, and therefore he is NOT an astute businessman as you suggest.

[_kai_]

Anyone see the image where The Donald used Nazi troops in his campaign graphic on Twitter.

I bet that intern is.... FIRED.

[MoValley John]

I guarantee the critical assets that he makes a living off of (illegal drugs) are not properly insured and that he is WAY under insured regarding liability insurance, and therefore he is NOT an astute businessman as you suggest.

Laugh my freaking ass off!!!

Here's the deal. Chapo is a thug prospering on peasants in a country that is corrupt and lawless. He survives and prospers because he has the most guns and most money. It doesnt take smarts to prosper the way he has, it doesn't take any business acumen. He simply pays of the people that he needs to, and kills any challengers. You don't have to be smart.

Shocka is giving Cheapo credit he doesn't deserve. Sure, he can threaten Donald Trump. He can threaten you, me or anyone else. Hell, that's all he knows! He can't get me, he can't get you, he can't get the Donald. He can't get into this country. That's how powerful he is, he can't even come here, he'd be captured in a second. On the other hand, the Donald can safely travel to Mexico. Even the Mexican government, as corrupt as it is, would not allow a high profile American like the Donald be harmed by this douchebag. Donald would have his security, along with US security and Mexican security keeping him safe. Rico Suave ain't doing ****. See the difference?

To draw a parallel to Chapo and Trump, let's look at something that has and does happen in that cesspool called Mexico. Let's say a guy goes to a prestigious university on the East Coast. He gets his degree, an MBA, and just for jollies and to make himself marketable, an econ degree. He works his way up the company ladder and is a junior exec before 30. He gets married to a smart hottie. And by hottie, NFL quarterbacks wife, hot. On their honeymoon to Guadalajara, he is kidnapped by a thug and held for ransom. Two days later, the young exec gets his throat slashed.

This happens in Mexico. It is vile, sick behavior. Based on how Shocka has described Chapo and Trump, he believes the Mexican thug is smarter than the up and coming businessman, he believes he is more of a success. Really???

That alone makes me question how Shocka views success and intelligence. Most people would not compare El Guappo and Trump, but Shocka did.

Amazing!

[Rlh04d]

Anyone see the image where The Donald used Nazi troops in his campaign graphic on Twitter.

I bet that intern is.... FIRED.

Or is it a subtle hint about the ridiculousness of the parody campaign he's currently running?

Idiot, brilliant, or robot driven by Ross Perot? You decide.

[Kung Wu]

To draw a parallel to Chapo and Trump, let's look at something that has and does happen in that cesspool called Mexico. Let's say a guy goes to a prestigious university on the East Coast. He gets his degree, an MBA, and just for jollies and to make himself marketable, an econ degree. He works his way up the company ladder and is a junior exec before 30. He gets married to a smart hottie. And by hottie, NFL quarterbacks wife, hot. On their honeymoon to Guadalajara, he is kidnapped by a thug and held for ransom. Two days later, the young exec gets his throat slashed.

This happens in Mexico. It is vile, sick behavior. Based on how Shocka has described Chapo and Trump, he believes the Mexican thug is smarter than the up and coming businessman, he believes he is more of a success. Really???

Correct, because the MBA guy did not have proper life insurance coverage in place.