Jeb Bush or Donald Trump?

[shocka khan]

Let's be intellectually honest: It was "Ignorance (Trump Organization) vs Ignorance + Incompetence (Obama Organization)". There is no math identity I am aware of where A > A + B for all positive values of A and B.

As has already been demonstrated, ignorance in this situation is explanatory and not at all unusual. Incompetence is a whole 'nother matter.

We have a philosophical difference of opinion here, as I would say that a faulty process is easier to fix more often than no process at all, particularly if the said process only needed tweaking. In the OMB case, the process was working but was manually overridden.

The other case had no process at all.

OMB has a framework and a repeatable process, meaning it can be improved.

The other situation does not.

So, are you really being intellectually honest, as tou like to say, or are you just too stuck to see alternatives?

[shocka khan]

If we are going to be truely intellectually honest, let's call Shocka's behavior what it is. Saul Alinsky. Shocka's posts are nothing more than him using the Saul Alinsky playbook.

Sometimes, using the Saul Alinsky playbook bites you, but one of the rules in the playbook is to keep going. Shocka does that without fail.

You know, you make a great cheerleader. So do you believe in that Hillary 'it takes a village stuff', too?

[MoValley John]

OMB has a framework and a repeatable process, meaning it can be improved.

All government agencies have frameworks. All functions of the government are repeatable, and all functions of the government are repeated. That, in itself, is the problem. That is exactly why this isn't the last time the OMB gets hacked.

And yes, I don't blame Obama. But, since you've boiled it down to repeatable frameworks that can be improved upon, the next time it happens, you must blame Obama.

[MoValley John]

You know, you make a great cheerleader. So do you believe in that Hillary 'it takes a village stuff', too?

Nope. I haven't found a candidate I support. My first post in this thread, when it came down to Bush or Trump, I said neither. It's your idiocy over hacked systems that has me defending the Donald.

It must be tough for you, on one hand to blame Trump for his company getting hacked, and on the flipside, giving Obama a free pass when he is in charge of the country and 21.5 million citizens get their information compromised. Hypocrite, much?

[Rlh04d]

Obama just had at least +20,000,000 social security numbers, finger prints, personal info stolen from OPMS.

As someone who almost certainly had his data stolen, calling what was stolen "personal info" is a monumental understatement.

I also would assume they got data on the personal references of every single person who had their data stolen from OPM. I had something like 20 references on my last set of forms, not to mention family. My guess is the number is just the tip of the iceberg if they included those people as well.

[Dave Stalwart]

I had something like 20 references on my last set of forms, not to mention family. My guess is the number is just the tip of the iceberg if they included those people as well.

I'm just going to take this opportunity to point out that 20 references X 20,000,000 = 400,000,000 and that's easily the entire U.S. :)

Great...

[SB Shock]

As someone who almost certainly had his data stolen, calling what was stolen "personal info" is a monumental understatement.

I also would assume they got data on the personal references of every single person who had their data stolen from OPM. I had something like 20 references on my last set of forms, not to mention family. My guess is the number is just the tip of the iceberg if they included those people as well.

Have you been notified?

I believe my data is involved, but I have NOT been notified.

[Rlh04d]

Have you been notified?

I believe my data is involved, but I have NOT been notified.

Not specifically. The last bit of news I saw basically said that there was a very high likelihood everyone who has dealt with OPM since 2000 was affected. I know they had begun sending out notifications when the number was still just 4 million, but not sure if this latest batch has begun.

[Rlh04d]

I'm just going to take this opportunity to point out that 20 references X 20,000,000 = 400,000,000 and that's easily the entire U.S. :)

Great...

Haha. Well, not all of the OPM data was the same type of paperwork, and many of my references were people who also were likely to have had their data stolen.

But I'm fairly sure the number of people who actually had their details included were well, well, well above the number listed thus far.

[shocka khan]

Nope. I haven't found a candidate I support. My first post in this thread, when it came down to Bush or Trump, I said neither. It's your idiocy over hacked systems that has me defending the Donald.

It must be tough for you, on one hand to blame Trump for his company getting hacked, and on the flipside, giving Obama a free pass when he is in charge of the country and 21.5 million citizens get their information compromised. Hypocrite, much?

So who's the hypocrite here? Let's start with the executive responsible for this. I said Archuleta needed to be fired early on. Of course, while you were inspecting chicken entrails on Friday and informing me of the difference between resigning and being fired she started the day saying she would not resign and by the end of the day, she tendered her resignation. I was once told that there only three things that can cause a person to change their mind:
1) A lobotomy
2) A religious conversion
3) Firing.

As for how far up the stink reaches, I think there ought to be some sort of investigation. However, as I have maintained before, management override of controls is what caused this problem. I don't think the stink would go all the way to Obama, but I think that we as citizens ought to know who made what decision regarding the following:

- Why databases that were not supported by the vendor and could not be certified (using the Authority to Operate standards) were being used to store classified information.
- Why the OMB's Inspector General's recommendation to shut the classified system down were ignored (i.e. overridden by management).
- Why OMB's management did not prioritize infrastructure upgrades for those systems containing privileged information.

I would suggest you and anyone else who is interested in the subject google authority to operate (ATO), which is a process used to certify governmental systems.

Next, I would suggest you go to NIST and check out their controls library.

You might also want to look at the NIST cyber security framework, which is a great tool for organizations and contains a maturity model that an organization can use while they baseline their current processes and procedures. Dr. Arthur Conklin teaches the NIST cyber security framework to his cyber security students at the University of Houston, so it's pretty obvious that someone sees value in NIST's work.

Or you could be intellectually lazy and continue to call me an idiot.

[shocka khan]

Have you been notified?

I believe my data is involved, but I have NOT been notified.

If you had a sensitive clearance (like what you might need to work for a defense contractor on a secret or top-secret position, for instance), then you had the contents of your investigative files stolen.

I must say that between you and Rlh04d, I'm a little surprised that neither of you had been notified as yet. I was unaware that the process was going on this slowly. My manager's wife was notified within a couple of days of the breach, and I was unware that it was taking this long.

In my mind, that is unacceptable. Anthem had 40 million individual's records compromised and they were able to notify their customers within a month or so, at least that was what I was able to determne based on th information I collected.

[shockmonster]

I don't know very much about this issue but I believe that Congress' personal information was compromised too. If this is true and Congress' "ox was gored" too, I am somewhat confident that they are motivated to get to the bottom this problem and solve it (unlike many of their ventures).

[Rlh04d]

- Why databases that were not supported by the vendor and could not be certified (using the Authority to Operate standards) were being used to store classified information.

Probably not an important distinction, but the information isn't classified. It's sensitive FOUO information, but not classified. Handling methods would have been far different if it was considered classified.

I must say that between you and Rlh04d, I'm a little surprised that neither of you had been notified as yet. I was unaware that the process was going on this slowly. My manager's wife was notified within a couple of days of the breach, and I was unware that it was taking this long.

They were pretty quick about the initial 4 million, but this latest discovery hasn't made it through yet.

[Rlh04d]

Interesting comments by Sen. Lindsey Graham on Donald Trump: http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...ral-authority/

I'm starting to wonder if the Republican base has really become so extreme that it might actually put Trump up for the nomination. That would result in one of the biggest electoral thrashings in American history.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/07/09/gop-frontrunner-donald-trump/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/11/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0PL0DA20150711

Trump's attempting to ride his own version of France's National Front Party.

[shocka khan]

The Wall Street Journal published a copy of the OMB IG audit report, and I have it, but it is too large to upload.

It's a pretty interesting read, if you're interested in that kind of stuff.