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[WuDrWu]

When we're discussing putting American men and women that serve our country at risk, then no, I'm not going to find much humor in anything.

Talk about being a "hypocrite"....I swear you regurgitate Rachel Maddow daily. The left talking points must be mass emailed every morning so you can read it while you're taking a Biden. You say President Obama couldn't get away with anything like Reagan? He HAS gotten away with it! And worse, he accepts NO responsibility for ANYTHING. He's THE single worst leader I've known as President, and it's not close. I would KILL for Bill Clinton right now. Hell, Hillary, who's an un-indicted co-conspirator felon would be a monumental upgrade, and she's 100% unqualified to be President. He's a divider not a leader.

[RoyalShock]

I only had enought time to peruse the link kc provided regarding Reagan and treason. Unless I missed it I didn't see any evidence in that article supporting the claim that Reagan paid anyone to keep the hostages, only that arms were exchanged to get them released (and I always thought Carter got most of the credit for that). That seems like a pretty big leap of logic to assume just because they were released on the day of his inauguration he was somehow involved in their prolonged capture in order to secure his election, especially when you consider it was a landslide (51% to 41% with Reagan carrying 44 states and 489 electoral votes to Carter's 6 and 49, respectively).


Am I missing something? Is there actual proof of this or just conjecture?

[SubGod22]

I only had enought time to peruse the link kc provided regarding Reagan and treason. Unless I missed it I didn't see any evidence in that article supporting the claim that Reagan paid anyone to keep the hostages, only that arms were exchanged to get them released (and I always thought Carter got most of the credit for that). That seems like a pretty big leap of logic to assume just because they were released on the day of his inauguration he was somehow involved in their prolonged capture in order to secure his election, especially when you consider it was a landslide (51% to 41% with Reagan carrying 44 states and 489 electoral votes to Carter's 6 and 49, respectively).


Am I missing something? Is there actual proof of this or just conjecture?

You mean you doubt something coming from the Keith Olbermann left? Get ready for a kc11 rant. He probably has "info" that shows Reagan paid Hitler to kill the Jews.

[Kung Wu]

Now as far as 2002, with the cherry picked intell sent to Congress its not surprising he made that statement.

Heres a nice little timeline

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline

Heres what a guy in the know said

http://www.inreview.com/archive/topic/36044.html

Can you image if BHO did this

Heres a real fool who should have been charged with treason.
Even if your so stupid as to believe it wasnt treason( he didnt know) can you say grossly incompetent.

I posted this in another thread, but it's relevant every time the leftist talking points are brought up. Too bad the media doesn't have the courage to publish any of this:

"As regards Bush, please don't spin the facts. I don't mind you taking an anti-war stance, but let's not revise history to make the case. Here are the facts leading up to the war.

1) 1980 - 1989 Iraq receives uranium dioxide and 100 tons of mustard gas from Brazil. Receives shells and rockets for chemical weapons from Italy. Receives anthrax from the U.S. (for medical research). Austria provided Iraq calutrons and nuclear weapon infrastructure. Singapore, Netherlands, Egypt and India supplied Iraq with over 14,000+ tons of VX, sarin and mustard gas. Egypt, Spain, and China supplied Iraq with 128,000+ tons of weapons designed for chemical warfare.

2) 1986 - 1988 Iraq uses weapons of mass destruction (chemical weapons) killing somewhere between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000+ Kurds. That's right. Used WMDs on their own people. Killing more people than all of the casualties of the U.S. Civil War.

3) Mar. 1990 a case of NUCLEAR TRIGGERS being sent to Iraq are intercepted. (Didn't know that, did ya?)

4) Aug. 1990 Iraq invaded Kuwait.

5) 1991 the U.S. drives those forces back to Iraq. (And learns a whole lot about the lay of the land in that specific country and how to fight there very, very well).

6) 1993 An attempt to assassinate George H.W. Bush (former president at the time) while visiting Kuwait is thwarted by outside law enforcement. [The REAL reason Bush Jr. went after Iraq?]

7) Sept. 11, 2001 (7 months into Bush Jr's Presidency) Al Qaeda attacks the U.S.

8) October 2002 The CIA confirms that Hussein still had weapons of mass destruction capabilities and there is uncorroborated reports showing that:

* Some al-Qaeda members who fled Afghanistan took refuge in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq.
* Senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda stretch back a decade.
* Iraq and al-Qaeda have discussed the provision of safe havens and reciprocal nonaggression.
* Iraq has provided training to al-Qaeda members in chemical weapons and conventional explosives.
* Al-Qaeda leaders have tried to cultivate contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire weapons of mass destruction.

9) Iraq is known to be actively supporting terrorist groups, though not specifically Al Qaeda: "Iraq has helped the Iranian dissident group Mujahadeen-e-Khalq, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, ... and several far-left Palestinian splinter groups that oppose peace with Israel." ... "Iraq also supported some Islamist Palestinian groups opposed to Israel, and before the 2003 war, the CIA cited Iraq's increased support for such organizations as reason to believe that Baghdad's links to terror could continue to increase."

So ... up to this point, prior to invading Iraq we had incomplete information, a known massive stockpile of chemical weapons and nuclear weapon components, a regime that was known to be actively supporting terrorist groups, the U.S. was just attacked by a terrorist group, that terrorist group's most senior leadership was hiding in multiple countries and weren't to be found.

Can you see any concern what-so-ever that Iraq may have funneled WMDs to Al Qaeda given the facts above?

Edit: BTW -- I took these facts from so many sources it wasn't worth citing them all."

I didn't take that from an extreme left-wing website with a clear agenda like motherjones.com who has conveniently left a LOT of decision points out of their timeline. Nor did I take any of it from right-wing websites with an agenda. All of this information was compiled by me from a lot of news sources to figure out what the real picture looked like for our leadership leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

[WuDrWu]

Yet the vast majority of Americans believe there were no WMDs, period. It's really sad.

[SubGod22]

According to a high ranking Iraqi General, most of the WMDs were taken to Syria prior to movement upon Iraq.

And I'm still seeing reports that the "rebels" are the ones who released the weapons and not Assad.

[1979Shocker]

When we're discussing putting American men and women that serve our country at risk, then no, I'm not going to find much humor in anything.

Talk about being a "hypocrite"....I swear you regurgitate Rachel Maddow daily. The left talking points must be mass emailed every morning so you can read it while you're taking a Biden. You say President Obama couldn't get away with anything like Reagan? He HAS gotten away with it! And worse, he accepts NO responsibility for ANYTHING. He's THE single worst leader I've known as President, and it's not close. I would KILL for Bill Clinton right now. Hell, Hillary, who's an un-indicted co-conspirator felon would be a monumental upgrade, and she's 100% unqualified to be President. He's a divider not a leader.

Not to get into too much of you guys arguments, but there are also "right talking points." Everyone usually aligned with one or the other and sometimes with both (or maybe with neither).

And I'll throw out this link for everyone's perusal.
New Docs Detail U.S. Involvement in Saddam's Nerve Gas Attacks

[SB Shock]

Not to get into too much of you guys arguments, but there are also "right talking points." Everyone usually aligned with one or the other and sometimes with both (or maybe with neither).

And I'll throw out this link for everyone's perusal.
New Docs Detail U.S. Involvement in Saddam's Nerve Gas Attacks

Your propoganda paper tries to make it sound like te U.S. sat on evidence of Iraq use of chemical weapons - it was well known. Iran was sending human Waves of children and iraq was gassing them. and just because the world didnt intevene then doesnt mean it established some kind of president. it was a different time - it was during the Cold War and Iraq was in the USSR influence - so it was not like the world was going to step in and risk starting a world war.

[1979Shocker]

Your propoganda paper tries to make it sound like te U.S. sat on evidence of Iraq use of chemical weapons - it was well known. Iran was sending human Waves of children and iraq was gassing them. and just because the world didnt intevene then doesnt mean it established some kind of president. it was a different time - it was during the Cold War and Iraq was in the USSR influence - so it was not like the world was going to step in and risk starting a world war.

I agree, it was a different time 30 years ago. I don't even know if the Administration back then even knew what the CIA was doing. Just like today when most didn't know about all the things the NSA was up to. Just like someone said in a comment, we needed a Snowden back then.

Oh, and just because I did a Google search on "sarin gas Iraq" and found that link doesn't mean it suddenly becomes my "propoganda" paper. Does that mean if I give a link to any of web sites mentioned here, then it could be propaganda, but anything from the web sites mentioned here are okay?

[_kai_]

KC is on the left, everyone else on this thread is the guy on the right.

[Dave Stalwart]

I get post 100!

[wsushox1]

I get post 100!

Reply 100* haha

[wsushox1]

When we're discussing putting American men and women that serve our country at risk, then no, I'm not going to find much humor in anything.

Talk about being a "hypocrite"....I swear you regurgitate Rachel Maddow daily. The left talking points must be mass emailed every morning so you can read it while you're taking a Biden. You say President Obama couldn't get away with anything like Reagan? He HAS gotten away with it! And worse, he accepts NO responsibility for ANYTHING. He's THE single worst leader I've known as President, and it's not close. I would KILL for Bill Clinton right now. Hell, Hillary, who's an un-indicted co-conspirator felon would be a monumental upgrade, and she's 100% unqualified to be President. He's a divider not a leader.

If he's such a horrible leader than why has John Boehner sided with him?

Their seems to be a lot of people wanting to make this a referendum on Obama's leadership (he's certainly a lame duck if this fails), but few on the right are making it a referendum on the fact that the top republican in America has supported Obama's handling of the situation by giving him his approval and support.



There is an awful lot of ad hominem and group think on here.

[WuDrWu]

I believe John Boehner is a lame duck as well, and I know very few conservatives that consider him a leader of anything. Yes he's the majority leader of the House, but that's so fake it would be funny if it weren't sickening. The GOP may implode soon. True conservatives have HAD IT with guys like Boehner. I expect the House to be overrun with left wing whack jobs and then watch the destruction of the country for 2 years under the DEMs unfettered power. Then, if there's anything standing, the conservative branch of the GOP (or whatever it's going to be called) MIGHT be able to come in and save the day. Probably not because there's going to be so much socialism going on that nobody is going to want to give up their freebies, but it's about the only hope at this point.

John Boehner is a typical RINO.

[kcshocker11]

KC is on the left, everyone else on this thread is the guy on the right.

lol