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  • #31
    Trump is claiming it's a politically biased witch hunt. If you look past the rhetoric here's what you will find.

    The Archives asked for a return of the documents. When they didn't get them, they referred it to the FBI, where a Trump-appointed head of the FBI sought a search warrant. That was assigned to a Trump-appointed attorney in DoJ, who issued the search warrant.

    The law Trump is accused of breaking is one he sent to Congress.

    Trump is not being charged for the 100+ documents he returned when asked. That makes his situation different than Pence's and Biden's. Trump is being charged for breaking two laws. Possessing confidential documents after leaving office can be accidental, Refusing to return them cannot be accidental. Lying about having returned them is probably what got him prosecuted for possessing them, which is a crime under the Presidential Records Act,

    I will admit to hating Donald Trump. I've hated him ever since the '80's when I was working in businesses engaged in real estate development and I studied Trump's methods because he appeared to be successful. His methods were to refuse to pay subs. When they sued him, he used the courts to drag out the suits to the point where those suing him couldn't afford to keep paying their lawyers. There was a repeated pattern of Trump not paying his subs and their claiming bankruptcy when they couldn't afford the legal battles to get paid.

    If it was Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney pursuing the conservative Republican agenda I could respect their positions. Trump's position is that he is above the law and he should be the permanent leader of the country, regardless of the results of elections. January 6 pretty much confirmed that.

    Trump isn't demanding political discussion, he's demanding absolute control of the government, which would be the end of democracy as we know it.

    The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Aargh View Post
      Trump is claiming it's a politically biased witch hunt. If you look past the rhetoric here's what you will find.

      The Archives asked for a return of the documents. When they didn't get them, they referred it to the FBI, where a Trump-appointed head of the FBI sought a search warrant. That was assigned to a Trump-appointed attorney in DoJ, who issued the search warrant.

      The law Trump is accused of breaking is one he sent to Congress.

      Trump is not being charged for the 100+ documents he returned when asked. That makes his situation different than Pence's and Biden's. Trump is being charged for breaking two laws. Possessing confidential documents after leaving office can be accidental, Refusing to return them cannot be accidental. Lying about having returned them is probably what got him prosecuted for possessing them, which is a crime under the Presidential Records Act,

      I will admit to hating Donald Trump. I've hated him ever since the '80's when I was working in businesses engaged in real estate development and I studied Trump's methods because he appeared to be successful. His methods were to refuse to pay subs. When they sued him, he used the courts to drag out the suits to the point where those suing him couldn't afford to keep paying their lawyers. There was a repeated pattern of Trump not paying his subs and their claiming bankruptcy when they couldn't afford the legal battles to get paid.

      If it was Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney pursuing the conservative Republican agenda I could respect their positions. Trump's position is that he is above the law and he should be the permanent leader of the country, regardless of the results of elections. January 6 pretty much confirmed that.

      Trump isn't demanding political discussion, he's demanding absolute control of the government, which would be the end of democracy as we know it.
      This is a political persecution. If they had also gone after Hillary and Hunter, then you could claim otherwise. Trump did violate the law. He can be prosecuted, but when it is anything for my friends, and for my enemies, the law, you no longer live in a free state. The second reason you know this is corruption by those in power is because of the OTHER things they are trying to pin on him. Impeachment 1, impeachment 2, Stormy Daniels, and Georgia.

      This is really bad for the country, and it would have been really bad for the country if they would have prosecuted Hillary. Not prosecuting the first family is bad as well.
      Livin the dream

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Aargh View Post
        Trump is claiming it's a politically biased witch hunt. If you look past the rhetoric here's what you will find.

        The Archives asked for a return of the documents. When they didn't get them, they referred it to the FBI, where a Trump-appointed head of the FBI sought a search warrant. That was assigned to a Trump-appointed attorney in DoJ, who issued the search warrant.

        The law Trump is accused of breaking is one he sent to Congress.

        Trump is not being charged for the 100+ documents he returned when asked. That makes his situation different than Pence's and Biden's. Trump is being charged for breaking two laws. Possessing confidential documents after leaving office can be accidental, Refusing to return them cannot be accidental. Lying about having returned them is probably what got him prosecuted for possessing them, which is a crime under the Presidential Records Act,

        I will admit to hating Donald Trump. I've hated him ever since the '80's when I was working in businesses engaged in real estate development and I studied Trump's methods because he appeared to be successful. His methods were to refuse to pay subs. When they sued him, he used the courts to drag out the suits to the point where those suing him couldn't afford to keep paying their lawyers. There was a repeated pattern of Trump not paying his subs and their claiming bankruptcy when they couldn't afford the legal battles to get paid.

        If it was Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney pursuing the conservative Republican agenda I could respect their positions. Trump's position is that he is above the law and he should be the permanent leader of the country, regardless of the results of elections. January 6 pretty much confirmed that.

        Trump isn't demanding political discussion, he's demanding absolute control of the government, which would be the end of democracy as we know it.

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        • #34
          Everybody KNOWS it's politically motivated, but that has nothing to do with whether he is guilty or not.

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          • #35


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            • #36
              Originally posted by pinstripers View Post
              Cryptic post. Not clear what your saying, but the FBI leadership is obviously political in their decisions. But unless, the Republicans win the Presidency (I’m not convinced Trump can win, even against Biden), they can’t make any FBI leadership changes.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Shockm View Post

                Cryptic post. Not clear what your saying, but the FBI leadership is obviously political in their decisions. But unless, the Republicans win the Presidency (I’m not convinced Trump can win, even against Biden), they can’t make any FBI leadership changes.
                People are being convinced that Trump can't beat Biden because the main stream media tells them so. Thus people are looking choosing to vote against the only proven candidate.

                So keep believing the media and we will see America fall even faster than it has the past 2.5 years.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Atxshoxfan View Post

                  People are being convinced that Trump can't beat Biden because the main stream media tells them so. Thus people are looking choosing to vote against the only proven candidate.

                  So keep believing the media and we will see America fall even faster than it has the past 2.5 years.
                  I rarely listen to MSM for news or politics. At least I know I never agree with them. . I’m pretty conservatively partisan (nationally), and I can’t stand to listen to him because I don’t like him. My wife is conservative too, and she likes him less. I like every other Republican candidate over him, but most of them can’t win either. Conservatives like my wife and I will vote for him if he is the candidate. However, most independents won’t go for him, and they’ll win the election.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Shockm View Post

                    I rarely listen to MSM for news or politics. At least I know I never agree with them. . I’m pretty conservatively partisan (nationally), and I can’t stand to listen to him because I don’t like him. My wife is conservative too, and she likes him less. I like every other Republican candidate over him, but most of them can’t win either. Conservatives like my wife and I will vote for him if he is the candidate. However, most independents won’t go for him, and they’ll win the election.
                    You know most conservatives and independents in our country?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Atxshoxfan View Post

                      You know most conservatives and independents in our country?
                      The polling data is not in his favor. Even if it’s horribly wrong, he still has a lot to overcome. I would ask, “what will be different this time?”
                      Livin the dream

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by wufan View Post

                        The polling data is not in his favor. Even if it’s horribly wrong, he still has a lot to overcome. I would ask, “what will be different this time?”
                        What will be different, you ask? Maybe proof of the countries direction under Dem leadership, or fear of loosing the right to protect your children from getting sex changes without your knowledge. Maybe the losses of your retirement. Maybe the fear that we will be over populated by a population of illegal immigrants who suck up our tax dollars and some of those are tied to terrorists organizations. Maybe the fact that any Dem candidate will push the agenda to remove all purchasing options of anything to do with fossil fuels. Or maybe the fear of going out on a city street in the big cities.


                        There will also be more watchful eyes on the 2024 election to make sure illegal votes are not counted.

                        The contrast of republican vs. democrat has never been more clear than it has been under our last 2 presidents. The Dems don't even hide their agendas anymore. Those Agendas do not align with American values values.

                        Polling is not accurate and many times very wrong. If you've ever received a call asking you to take a poll, you can see how questions are framed to persuade your answer. Then the media will tout these poll results to sway the bulk of the population to their desired outcomes.

                        The presidential race is not a popularity contest, but I realize many stupid people don't understand that. It is a contest to elect the leader who can beast protect our citizens and our economy.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Atxshoxfan View Post

                          What will be different, you ask? Maybe proof of the countries direction under Dem leadership, or fear of loosing the right to protect your children from getting sex changes without your knowledge. Maybe the losses of your retirement. Maybe the fear that we will be over populated by a population of illegal immigrants who suck up our tax dollars and some of those are tied to terrorists organizations. Maybe the fact that any Dem candidate will push the agenda to remove all purchasing options of anything to do with fossil fuels. Or maybe the fear of going out on a city street in the big cities.


                          There will also be more watchful eyes on the 2024 election to make sure illegal votes are not counted.

                          The contrast of republican vs. democrat has never been more clear than it has been under our last 2 presidents. The Dems don't even hide their agendas anymore. Those Agendas do not align with American values values.

                          Polling is not accurate and many times very wrong. If you've ever received a call asking you to take a poll, you can see how questions are framed to persuade your answer. Then the media will tout these poll results to sway the bulk of the population to their desired outcomes.

                          The presidential race is not a popularity contest, but I realize many stupid people don't understand that. It is a contest to elect the leader who can beast protect our citizens and our economy.

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                          But weren’t those the same issues as the last election? I would think Trump would spend more time highlighting those differences and less time attacking his former Allie’s.
                          Livin the dream

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by wufan View Post

                            But weren’t those the same issues as the last election? I would think Trump would spend more time highlighting those differences and less time attacking his former Allie’s.
                            Weren't the same as last election, but I agree that he needs to stop attacks and focus on the differences. But the dude is a fighter in a suit.

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                            • #44
                              "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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                              • #45
                                I would encourage anyone to listen to Ben Shapiro episode 1779 (from August 2, 2023). Good stuff.

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