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  • One thing I think that has been revealed is that the Russian military is not as formidable, minus the nuclear option, as was once believed.
    Go Shocks!

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    • Originally posted by ShockerDropOut View Post
      One thing I think that has been revealed is that the Russian military is not as formidable, minus the nuclear option, as was once believed.
      At some point they probably get it figured out unfortunately. It took them about 2 years in WWII but they eventually did it,maybe in part because Stalin brought back a lot of officers who had been sent to the Gulag.

      Putin is still succeeding in destroying the Ukraine which was probably his second option if he couldn't take it quickly. I also believe that he has successfully bluffed NATO and the Biden administration. Interesting how Blinken was initially receptive to the idea of the transfer of mig-29's from Poland to the Ukraine but then the idea was scotched a short time later....maybe part of the reason due to NATO weakness on the ground in central Europe. Despite all the talk and promises NATO ground forces, particularly Germany, are still in no shape to confront Russia, the Baltic states being particularly vulnerable.
      Last edited by N Crestway; March 19, 2022, 03:44 AM.

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      • Originally posted by ShockerDropOut View Post
        One thing I think that has been revealed is that the Russian military is not as formidable, minus the nuclear option, as was once believed.
        Hopefully China is taking notice that maybe theirs isn't what they think it is either.
        "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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        • Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post

          Hopefully China is taking notice that maybe theirs isn't what they think it is either.
          Let’s not forget that most of Russia’s army is Soviet era tech where as most of China’s is stolen western tech.
          Livin the dream

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          • Originally posted by wufan View Post

            Let’s not forget that most of Russia’s army is Soviet era tech where as most of China’s is stolen western tech.
            That's true. But Russia's tech is/was based on what they could steal from the West too. Just look at their Backfire bomber vs the B1. I think the biggest unknown, but what still tilts the balance is the ability of munitions to hit their targets the first time. The U.S. has the goods. Does China?

            China and Russia's milirary seems to be based on quantity over quality. And China's Navy is suspect. I know they want Taiwan, but watching Russia should give them 2nd thoughts. Especially if the U.S. gets involved. No idea what a 21st century amphibious assault looks like, but it won't be defended with MG42s and 88s from 10 miles inland. It will be guided missles that will hit the boats.
            "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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            • Originally posted by wufan View Post

              most of China’s is stolen western tech.
              And Billions of dollars of Afghanistan finders-keepers weapons which technically isn't stolen.

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              • Russia apparently used a hypersonic missile with a conventional warhead Friday or Saturday....in part probably a message for NATO.

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                • Originally posted by N Crestway View Post
                  Russia apparently used a hypersonic missile with a conventional warhead Friday or Saturday....in part probably a message for NATO.
                  But it probably wasn't the message that Putin hoped would be delivered.

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                  • Hopefully not...

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                    • Originally posted by N Crestway View Post
                      Hopefully not...
                      Ukraine war is backdrop in US push for hypersonic weapons | AP News

                      The U.S. response


                      The American military is accelerating development to catch up.
                      U.S. technology > Russian Technology

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                      • Originally posted by SB Shock View Post

                        Ukraine war is backdrop in US push for hypersonic weapons | AP News

                        The U.S. response

                        U.S. technology > Russian Technology
                        Hypersonic research won't be approved unless the proposed propellant is 100% electric.
                        Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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                        • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

                          Hypersonic research won't be approved unless the proposed propellant is 100% electric.
                          I would think at that speed a windmill on top would produce plenty of turbine action to produce sufficient thrust.
                          "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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                          • We need to develop lasers on sattelites. Just vaporize targets from heaven.
                            "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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                            • Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post
                              We need to develop lasers on sattelites. Just vaporize targets from heaven.


                              "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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                              • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

                                Hypersonic research won't be approved unless the proposed propellant is 100% electric.
                                Solar sails are supposed to be extremely fast in the vacuum of outer space, maybe they could make a "Solar Sail Ponderous-Sonic Missile".

                                That way no propellant would need to be used.

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