Russia-Ukraine War

[Shockm]

I think the Ukrainians agree with this sentiment, and it’s understandable.

The bigger issue is that Putin is all in with no off ramp. An unconditional surrender has not occurred since WWII, and we all know what prompted that. Putin needs a way to surrender w/o loosing power. The US has the ability to negotiate that peace. There’s no reason anyone else needs to die before we get there.

Would Hitler have backed down? It might make sense for Putin to do that but I’m not sure he isn’t a little on the “crazy or mad” side. The Russian Generals who are not “mad” may have to step in.

[wufan]

Screw that. If some frickin madman decided to invade my country, level my cities and kill everyone they see, I wouldn’t be looking for peace talks. I’d be looking to put a bullet between the eyes of every one of them and drive them the hell out.

but that’s just me. Some may have a different approach.

I think the Ukrainians agree with this sentiment, and it’s understandable.

The bigger issue is that Putin is all in with no off ramp. An unconditional surrender has not occurred since WWII, and we all know what prompted that. Putin needs a way to surrender w/o loosing power. The US has the ability to negotiate that peace. There’s no reason anyone else needs to die before we get there.

[SB Shock]

Is anyone else suspicious on why there hasn't been even a hint or efforts at starting peace talks? Where is the leadership to try and bring the 2 sides together to stop the death? Why is there no urgency to negotiate a cease-fire and get some initial demands on the table?

There is plenty efforts for starting peace talks.

Ukrainian have said they are willing to enter talks, but have 5 conditions:

1. Territory has to be restored.
2. Russia has to respect the UN Statutes
3. War criminals have to be punished
4. War reparations
5. International guarantees this won't happen again

And Zelensky also said removal of Putin.

Russia has said they are open to peace talks but makes the following demands

1. World recognizes and accepts the annexations of the four territories of Ukraine.
2. Disarming of Ukrainian military
3. Ukraine must recognize Russia sovereignty over the Crimea.
4. Ukraine cannot join NATO

U.S. is trying to Ukraine to drop the "Putin requirement". France offered security guarantees to Russia, in which Russia quickly shot down.

Putin negotiating a peace deal means he will be removed from power. So he is going to hang on and keep ratcheting the pressure up in hopes of breaking Ukraine. Putin next step would be to declare the "special military action" to be a "war" and then fully mobilize the country.

Ukraine is not going to stop and accept defeat when they are winning, which is what they would be doing if they accepted the demands of the Russians as a starting point.

It does seem like they only way out of this is somebody in Russia would need to depose Putin and then do a reset with the world over Ukraine where they pulled their troops out of the country. Then negotiations probably could start.

[pinstripers]

My guess is that Biden and Zalinsky are both getting rich off of the war.

[wichshock65]

I wouldn’t call it suspicious necessarily, though there is certainly reason for that. I would call it incompetent.

Screw that. If some frickin madman decided to invade my country, level my cities and kill everyone they see, I wouldn’t be looking for peace talks. I’d be looking to put a bullet between the eyes of every one of them and drive them the hell out.

but that’s just me. Some may have a different approach.

[wufan]

Is anyone else suspicious on why there hasn't been even a hint or efforts at starting peace talks? Where is the leadership to try and bring the 2 sides together to stop the death? Why is there no urgency to negotiate a cease-fire and get some initial demands on the table?

I wouldn’t call it suspicious necessarily, though there is certainly reason for that. I would call it incompetent.

[ShockerPrez]

Is anyone else suspicious on why there hasn't been even a hint or efforts at starting peace talks? Where is the leadership to try and bring the 2 sides together to stop the death? Why is there no urgency to negotiate a cease-fire and get some initial demands on the table?

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Asylum??? Heck they can go to college, get welfare, vote, driver's licenses, etc., etc.. They don't need asylum.

I got two words for you...Only in America

[Shockm]

Asylum??? Heck they can go to college, get welfare, vote, driver's licenses, etc., etc.. They don't need asylum.

They will have to move though, to warmer weather to get those things. I don't think that Alaska gives as much to illegals. But Hollywood California will give them a parade, and they'll be Ukrainian heroes.

[Kung Wu]

Ken Thomas @KThomasDC

JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — Two Russians fleeing military service take boat to reach remote Alaska island and seek asylum in the U.S.

Asylum??? Heck they can go to college, get welfare, vote, driver's licenses, etc., etc.. They don't need asylum.

[pinstripers]

Ken Thomas @KThomasDC

JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — Two Russians fleeing military service take boat to reach remote Alaska island and seek asylum in the U.S.

[pinstripers]

Peter King...... "Some 200,000 Russians – mostly men – have escaped, including through a thin gorge separating Russia from the country of Georgia. Wrote Ivanova and Porter:

DARIALI, Georgia — They are bus drivers, programmers, photographers, bankers. They have driven for hours, bribed their way through many police checkpoints — spending a month’s wages in some cases — and then waited at the border, most of them for days, in a traffic jam that stretched for miles.

Many grabbed their passports, abandoned their cars and crossed the frontier on foot, fearing that Russia would slam shut one of the last, precious routes to leave the country. The Kremlin dispatched teams to border crossings to weed out draft-eligible men and hand them conscription notices, and rumors spread on social media that it would seal the border.

Most of those who left had no idea when they would return home, if ever."

[IndianaShocker]

Russian Army is cooked. Their lines are collapsing on both fronts. Their corruption/lack of logistics & ineffective chain of command has left RF forces in shambles.

~25K of Russia's best remaining soldiers are trapped on the West side of the Dnipro on the Kherson front. Bridges have been compromised by HIMARS, preventing those troops from being supplied or the ability to retreat. It's going to be a slaughter.

They have no offensive capability remaining.

[pinstripers]

Mick Ryan, AM

@WarintheFuture
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Sep 30
21/ And if the ‘professional’ Russian military that has been trained and re-equipped over the last decade can’t prevail in Ukraine, it is extraordinarily unlikely that a mass of conscripts with just weeks of training will provide a solution to Putin’s territory aspirations.

[ShockTalk]

The Ukrainian people have been inspiring.