Trump Got The 'Rona

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Steroids such as dexmethasone are given routinely for any inflammatory condition, specific to Covid, it would be for lung inflammation. What can be gathered from the fact that he is getting this is that he had mild to severe shortness of breathe at some point. That’s about it.

The people that are concerned about the side effects, don’t understand how side effects work. Even with some potential insomnia and possible irritability, short term steroidal use is pretty harmless.

Nope.

[OregonShocker]

I too wonder if he was thinking of OregonShocker. I know he’s a medical doctor. The funny thing about this disease is that the experts can’t even agree on much, and while there are many well informed folks on this fine forum, nobody is being paid for their opinion on the matter.

With all due respect, I have found that most don't really want medical opinions here for anything other than picking them apart. I also (in general) abhor political flame wars online. There is nothing I can add that hasn't been expressed by the experts at CDC, yet some discount their voices/motivations/experience. What am I going to say to sway them? I have my political opinions, even as they may apply to the CoVid pandemic, but I'm not sure who I would benefit by expressing them.

Having said that, I'd be happy to share/answer any question I can in a PM for anyone really curious.

[wufan]

Your version of medical cannons:

First do no harm*
* - First isn't reached until we have several hundred to several million dead in trying to achieve herd mentality. Sorry if you are one of the unlucky victims.

Where have I harmed anyone?

I will do you one better. I’ve contributed to saving 10’s of thousands of lives that were impacted by Covid through my work since this spring. If you’re interested I will tell you how.

[revenge_of_shocka_khan]

I’m not anybody’s doctor. That’s why I’ve never posted it before. Nobody calls me doctor, I’m not licensed to practice medicine because I don’t practice medicine. I went to work for big pharma after Medical school rather than attending a residency. My medical degree is really unimportant to my life, but you can’t stand that. You are just projecting your inferiorities on attempting to call me out (and failing), then you go to claim I’m harming people and lying despite your own ignorance. Then you talk about how much money I make??? You have no idea, obviously. You just can’t stand the fact that you’re wrong.

Your version of medical cannons:

First do no harm*
* - First isn't reached until we have several hundred to several million dead in trying to achieve herd mentality. Sorry if you are one of the unlucky victims.

[jdmee]

Now that Trump has gotten Coronavirus, it is clear that he is incompetent. I think I'll vote for communists now. This has convinced me.

Exactly, the most important item in a 4 year presidency is a virus that will only, at most, be relevant in his first 6 months of office.

[ShockerPrez]

Now that Trump has gotten Coronavirus, it is clear that he is incompetent. I think I'll vote for communists now. This has convinced me.

[wufan]

I don't believe any of the "official" statements. They are propaganda and misinformation. There is nothing wrong with that because we need to keep our country enemies off balance. The dexamethasone is only given for people who are having severe COVID. In milder cases of COVID it is not given because it been generally found not to be helpful and in some cases harmful.

So what we know at this point is Trump got hit hard by the viral infection itself. It seems he has stabilized, but not out of the woods yet as this phase last about a week. The 2nd week is where his body immune system can overreact and a patient can go downhill quickly.

Steroids such as dexmethasone are given routinely for any inflammatory condition, specific to Covid, it would be for lung inflammation. What can be gathered from the fact that he is getting this is that he had mild to severe shortness of breathe at some point. That’s about it.

The people that are concerned about the side effects, don’t understand how side effects work. Even with some potential insomnia and possible irritability, short term steroidal use is pretty harmless.

[SB Shock]

Overreaction Cold. They're simply managing details for THE most important person in the world. Not sure I would use the word "plummet" for a PO2 of 94%, but it's not ideal either.

I don't believe any of the "official" statements. They are propaganda and misinformation. There is nothing wrong with that because we need to keep our country enemies off balance. The dexamethasone is only given for people who are having severe COVID. In milder cases of COVID it is not given because it been generally found not to be helpful and in some cases harmful.

So what we know at this point is Trump got hit hard by the viral infection itself. It seems he has stabilized, but not out of the woods yet as this phase last about a week. The 2nd week is where his body immune system can overreact and a patient can go downhill quickly.

[ShockerDropOut]

How come smooth Joe Biden isn’t quarantining after his potential exposure on Tuesday night?

Maybe he needed to get his hair done.

[ShockerFever]

So he's been touring the facility and plans on making a surprise visit to his supporters while he's currently positive for Covid-19. That WOULD be a surprise!!!111

This genius never ceases to amaze. What quarantine guidelines? What CDC? What reality? J.F.C. . . . . . .

How come smooth Joe Biden isn’t quarantining after his potential exposure on Tuesday night?

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P.S. A "plunging" O2 level is not 1 pt. below what is technically considered a normal range (95-100).

Oxy saturation normally "PLUNGES" in a range between 95-100 throughout the day.

According to the Mayo Clinic, normal pulse oximeter readings usually range from 95 to 100 percent. Values under 90 percent are considered low, and indicate the need for supplemental oxygen. This condition is often referred to as hypoxemia, and its symptoms include severe shortness of breath, increased heart rate and chest pain.

For people with chronic lung conditions and other breathing problems, the “normal” SpO₂ range of 95% to 100% doesn’t apply. These individuals should always consult with their doctor for information on acceptable oxygen levels for their unique state of health. That being said, here are a few general guidelines on SpO₂ for individuals with acute respiratory issues and chronic diseases:
● In a patient with acute respiratory illness (e.g., influenza) or breathing difficulty (e.g, an asthma attack), an SpO₂ of 92% or less may indicate a need for oxygen supplementation.
● In a patient with stable chronic disease (e.g., COPD), an SpO₂ of 92% or less should prompt referral for further investigation of the need for long-term oxygen therapy.¹

Now, this is where things get more complicated. It’s possible (and perfectly natural) for your SpO₂ to change throughout the day, particularly if you’re transitioning from low-energy to high-energy activities. However, as long as your SpO₂ stays within a healthy range amidst these fluctuations, there’s no need for concern.
Changes in activity aren’t the only factors that impact oxygen saturation. There are several adverse conditions and diseases that can negatively impact SpO₂, including asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). People afflicted by these health problems often have a lower SpO₂ average, necessitating the use of supplemental oxygen and other treatment methods.

https://www.nonin.com/resource/what-...ental%20oxygen.

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The election can't get here fast enough because... I'm gonna drink. I've barely drank at all during the Covid season.

I don't know if I can pull the lever for Trump at this point. Doesn't matter in Kansas (or does it?).

I wish I could pull it for Biden out of pure spite, but I don't have those kind of balls. I couldn't live with the guilt.

I really don't like Trump at this point and I'm really angry at him for making me feel that way. Psychoanalyze that PillDoc, Esq.!

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He was in the 80s? I listened to his doctors, read 2 press reports, then listened again. I heard 94 and 93 and on 2 liters for 1 minute back to 95.

It seems like you're maybe stretching the facts a shade?

Trump's doctor is on record as not being forthright about his fluctuating condition.

White House physician Sean Conley told reporters Sunday that Trump had received supplemental oxygen on Friday, after saying the previous day that the president hadn’t been treated with oxygen on Friday. He said he gave the misleading information initially to “reflect the upbeat attitude” of Trump and his doctors.

Translated: I lied.

Conley refused to say how low the President's blood oxygen levels had dropped. When asked if they had dropped below 90, he replied, "We don't have any recordings here of that."

When asked again on whether they had dropped below 90, Conley said the President's blood oxygen levels didn't get down into "the low 80s."

That's a carefully crafted lie. Notice how he answers what WASN'T asked.


In other news:

https://apnews.com/article/virus-out...d98a128573194a

“This is insanity,” tweeted Dr. James P. Phillips, an attending physician at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, where Trump has been hospitalized since Friday evening.

“Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary presidential ‘drive-by’ just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die,” the doctor wrote. “For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater.”

[WuDrWu]

94% would basically be normal. He was in the 80's.

Who's overreacting? Me? The doctors who are treating him? I'm just reporting the facts.

He was in the 80s? I listened to his doctors, read 2 press reports, then listened again. I heard 94 and 93 and on 2 liters for 1 minute back to 95.

It seems like you're maybe stretching the facts a shade?

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Overreaction Cold. They're simply managing details for THE most important person in the world. Not sure I would use the word "plummet" for a PO2 of 94%, but it's not ideal either.

Shocking that science has gotten better since March with their approach to this virus. Thinking Operation Warp Speed might have something to do with that....I could be wrong. It could just be a miracle.

94% would basically be normal. He was in the 80's.

Who's overreacting? Me? The doctors who are treating him? I'm just reporting the facts.