Biden

[Shockm]

The Afghani U.S. allies who translated and were allies of the United States forces are probably dying because of Biden dragging his heels, and errors being made.

https://refugeerights.org/issue-area...SAAEgKth_D_BwE

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Brit Hume @brithume

The Biden administration is threatening to deny the Taliban diplomatic recognition as a way to halt the rout in Afghanistan. State Dept. says the "international community" won't recognize them either. Boy, that ought to stop the Taliban in its tracks.

Exactly! LIke the Taliban give two sh!ts what anyone thinks of them from a "diplomatic" standpoint. What an effing joke.

[wufan]

I struggle with foreign policy. I don’t think we should be in so many places without a strategy. I also know that if we leave, all of our allies will be defeated. Decades of fighting the Cold War have put us in a bad place and IDK how to make it better.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

This is the problem: Biden has no plan and has not laid out a real strategy to make the Taliban forces fear consequences. He has just decided that he will pull everyone out without having any sort of strategy for how to handle the insurgence. His strategy is to basically talk bad about the Taliban to the rest of the world in an attempt to shame them in to doing the right thing. In other words, we are effed and it's all on Biden. The Taliban knows he is soft and they will not face any sort of consequences (see his history with Iran, China, and just about every other terroristic regime). I hope somehow we are able to get the Americans who are over there out safely to avoid another Vietnam situation.

[ShockerPrez]

Our biggest issue is that when we commit troops, we need to commit troops with the goal of completely eliminating the reason we committed troops. We should also commit the amount of troops necessary to overwhelmingly accomplish that mission. If we do not believe we can accomplish that mission with troops, troops should not be committed.

The problem we also have is that in a media driven world, images of war look bad. War is ugly. People die. Innocent people die. There is no stomach for that in polite society, therefore, we attempt to limit that at all costs, which limits our ability to accomplish the goal. In Afgan and 2nd part of Iraq, this has limited our ability completely.

The Gulf War, IMO was the last time we fought properly. We also had a well defined enemy that we could identify and destroy.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

In a tale of two leaders:

Trump to the Taliban "If you threatened an American, if you scared an American, and certainly if you hurt an American, we would bring all American power to bear to make sure that we went to your village, to your house,"

Meanwhile Biden has gone on vacation while pleading for mercy from the Taliban.

I know which leader I prefer...

[pinstripers]

Last year the OPEC cartel was powerless, Mexico enforced the border, North Korea was quiet, Afghani girls were in school, Israel was making Arab allies, and China, Russia and Iran were struggling with sanctions........... Then we elected a foreign policy expert........

[SB Shock]

This is the problem: Biden has no plan and has not laid out a real strategy to make the Taliban forces fear consequences.

Afghanistan is on Trump. It was Trump who made the decision to pull out and pull out quickly.

Nobody should be surprised that the Biden administration would not reverse on Trump either. Trump gave Biden, and the democratic base a going away present. Something they have wanted for 20 years.

Let's face it - 20 years....and the Afghani's still don't want their freedom enough to fight for it.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Afghanistan is on Trump. It was Trump who made the decision to pull out and pull out quickly.

Nobody should be surprised that the Biden administration would not reverse on Trump either. Trump gave Biden, and the democratic base a going away present. Something they have wanted for 20 years.

Let's face it - 20 years....and the Afghani's still don't want their freedom enough to fight for it.

I guess we see it differently. I have no problem with pulling the troops out. Long over due honestly. The problem I have is Biden has no plan for what he knew was coming. Anyone with half a brain knew the Taliban was going to just march right back in. Grow a nutsack and give them real consequences if they do it and make them at least think twice. They know Biden is weak and they have come in guns blazing with no second thought as to whether they would face any consequences or opposition. That is on Biden and the current administration.

[Shockm]

Afghanistan is on Trump. It was Trump who made the decision to pull out and pull out quickly.

Nobody should be surprised that the Biden administration would not reverse on Trump either. Trump gave Biden, and the democratic base a going away present. Something they have wanted for 20 years.

Let's face it - 20 years....and the Afghani's still don't want their freedom enough to fight for it.

That is a Biden talking point.

Trump, too, and first was in favor of pulling out troops from Afghanistan. However, he did have a measured drawdown planned by Mike Pompeo and Trump, with a timeline based on conditions. The drawdown should have happened during the winter months when the Taliban was hiding in the mountains of Pakhistan and not during the active hard fighting summer season. It also should have happened after citizens had been removed when we had air power still in the country. Instead, Bagram (not sure of the AFB name) AFB has already been evacuated. By stating the date of 9/11, Biden is an idiot. This drawdown happened much too fast, and was not well planned. American citizens and military personnel who had to be recalled to Afghanistan to get citizens out of the country lives are at risk. Trump is pleading with 5he Taliban to not harm citizens. That’s real effective.

So Biden didn’t follow the plan in place that was led by Mike Pompeo and Trump.

[WuDrWu]

Yes Trump sad we were getting out. A large plurality of Americans were in favor of that including libs. I think most reasonable folks would agree this was never going to end well. But Biden's leadership has to own the colossal goat **** plan they implemented to get out. To say it's a disaster is kind. And what this failure says to our enemies is beyond problematic. But we never should have been there without a hard and fast plan. Everybody screwed it up, and our wonderful military has paid the price, not the politicians that failed them. And the rest of us are likely to pay a huge price sometime in the future when China and Russia decide to do whatever the hell they want to because we're seen as weak.

Biden's foreign policy disasters in 7 short months are alarming, to say the very least.

[SubGod22]

The failure in Afghanistan is on the administration's of Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden.

[Shockm]

The failure in Afghanistan is on the administration's of Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden.

Do you even remember why we went there? Maybe we will have another 3000 plus Americans killed on our own soil to remind us. At least we have an open southern border for our next terrorist attackers to be welcomed in. The next attack might be a poisoned water or food supply that kills hundreds of thousands of Americans instead of attacks on large buildings like the WTC or parking garages underneath the WTC. We have fewer police so it’s more likely to be successful.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/september-11-photos-that-are-still-hard-to-view/news-story/74c57d8883a240c95e6779c0de0c24be

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/9-11-hijackers

[wufan]

Do you even remember why we went there? Maybe we will have another 3000 plus Americans killed on our own soil to remind us. At least we have an open southern border for our next terrorist attackers to be welcomed in. The next attack might be a poisoned water or food supply that kills hundreds of thousands of Americans instead of attacks on large buildings like the WTC or parking garages underneath the WTC. We have fewer police so it’s more likely to be successful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/september-11-photos-that-are-still-hard-to-view/news-story/74c57d8883a240c95e6779c0de0c24be

The Taliban was not responsible for 9/11. While they did pose a similar threat, I’m not in favor of finding groups that could attack us and occupying that geographic space for generations.

We went in w/o a plan. We left w/o a plan. Trump pledged to leave in May, Biden withdrew in August. It would have likely been a disaster if we would have left in May too.

All foreign policy by the left and the right is disastrous and has been since the end of the Cold War.

[Shockm]

The Taliban was not responsible for 9/11. While they did pose a similar threat, I’m not in favor of finding groups that could attack us and occupying that geographic space for generations.

We went in w/o a plan. We left w/o a plan. Trump pledged to leave in May, Biden withdrew in August. It would have likely been a disaster if we would have left in May too.

All foreign policy by the left and the right is disastrous and has been since the end of the Cold War.

The Taliban has always had ties to Alqaeda and will most likely continue to. Leave no doubt that it is possible that we are attacked again.

The mistake Bush made was to attack Iraq (imo), and that originated from his father's not completing the mission in the early 90's Gulf War. Afghanistan was always where our time, energy and money should have been spent.

https://mwi.usma.edu/untying-the-gor...with-al-qaeda/

Off the top of my head and with little research, personally, I would rather have a force of 2500 men and aircraft in Afghanistan than what we do in Germany (we have way too many people there), and that is all that was necessary to help the Afghani's maintain power, and would allow us a small force in that area of the middle east, especially if we are going to be getting our oil from there, and support Israel. There are more threats on America from China (who has world domination goals) which neighbors Afghanistan and is already moving into Afghanistan and the Taliban, than Germany and Russia (although the Eastern Europeans don't trust the Russians).

Either way, Biden has to take blame for how he conducted the pull out from Afghanistan. It was done very badly.