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  • WstateU
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  • ShockerPrez
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    I have no problem holding Trump to a very high standard and going over his dealings and handling of government docs with a fine tooth comb.

    Now do EVERYBODY in government. If Trump would be collateral damage in a move where half of the politicians, bureaucrats and every other corrupt POS gets flushed too, I'm all for it.

    But that's not happening. It's not gonna happen. So if we are gonna nail Trump on jay-walking, and other things every other politicians appatently do, we should probably crucify Biden for his obvious corruption, bribery, and just being a complete human piece of garbage in his decades in office. Biden is the worst president of all time. There is no reason America should continue to be represented by a senile, arrogant, jackass. I'll taka Kamala. Ignorance+stupidity > ignorance+stupidity+corruption.

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  • Atxshoxfan
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    Originally posted by Shockm View Post

    I heard those poll statistics that I quoted, on a friendlier channel (Fox), and from Republican friendly news anchors. I rarely ever view the channels you mentioned. A No labels (3rd Party) candidate may end up being a bigger threat to Trump by Independents, Democrats, and Republicans who like me, don’t like Trump, but who unlike me, won’t vote for him. Because, I agree with those who don’t think Biden will be the Democrat candidate a year from this November.
    It's always hard to tell, but I believe the no labels party will draw from the democrat voters who don't like where thing are headed. Then you will have the socialist vote for their favorite candidate (probably Newsom). I don't see many republicans voting the no labels route. Trump's following is huge still to this day and while there are some good candidates on the republican ticket, none have the nads to fight the deep state and democrats attacks, that Trump has.

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  • Shockm
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    Originally posted by Atxshoxfan View Post

    Yes, that's what they are saying at MSNBC, CNN and CNBC. So it must be true, right? Like they were about Hillary v trump.

    Americans choice will likely be the great leader who led California into a disaster or Trump. Joe won't be there for the general.
    I heard those poll statistics that I quoted, on a friendlier channel (Fox), and from Republican friendly news anchors. I rarely ever view the channels you mentioned. A No labels (3rd Party) candidate may end up being a bigger threat to Trump by Independents, Democrats, and Republicans who like me, don’t like Trump, but who unlike me, won’t vote for him. Because, I agree with those who don’t think Biden will be the Democrat candidate a year from this November.
    Last edited by Shockm; July 25, 2023, 05:36 AM.

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  • Atxshoxfan
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    Originally posted by Shockm View Post

    I thought Trump’s policies were great, and 54% of Republicans favor him over the other Republican candidates at this time. However, 63% of all voters (Independents, Democrats, and Republicans) view him disfavorably (don’t like him). So he’s not going to be favored to win in the general election, no matter the Democrat candidate.
    Yes, that's what they are saying at MSNBC, CNN and CNBC. So it must be true, right? Like they were about Hillary v trump.

    Americans choice will likely be the great leader who led California into a disaster or Trump. Joe won't be there for the general.

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  • Shockm
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    Originally posted by pinstripers View Post

    As good as I thought the Trump years were, if he is our nominee, we can't use Biden's classified documents in his garage, we can't use Biden's age, etc
    I thought Trump’s policies were great, and 54% of Republicans favor him over the other Republican candidates at this time. However, 63% of all voters (Independents, Democrats, and Republicans) view him disfavorably (don’t like him). So he’s not going to be favored to win in the general election, no matter the Democrat candidate.

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  • pinstripers
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    Originally posted by Shockm View Post
    Republicans are rallying around the flag, and a man who has been treated unfairly, but at the same time that Trump is smiling, so are Democrats because Trump’s disfavorability ranking is 63% among all voters in recent polls, and that is a tough row to hoe in a general election. Trump very well, may be destined to lose the general election.
    As good as I thought the Trump years were, if he is our nominee, we can't use Biden's classified documents in his garage, we can't use Biden's age, etc

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  • Shockm
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    Republicans are rallying around the flag, and a man who has been treated unfairly, but at the same time that Trump is smiling, so are Democrats because Trump’s disfavorability ranking is 63% among all voters in recent polls, and that is a tough row to hoe in a general election. Trump very well, may be destined to lose the general election.
    Last edited by Shockm; July 24, 2023, 06:20 PM.

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  • Atxshoxfan
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    So Trump's lawyers certified that there were no more classified docs. Shouldn't his lawyers be accountable.? Oh that's right they are not running for president.

    Much like the FBI who certified that the Steele dossier had been verified, when in fact they knew it was fabricated and false. That is the same FBI office that conducted the raid on Mara Lago. Who also didn't allow Trump's attorneys inside Mara Lago while they conducted the search.

    Sometimes you have to read between the lines.

    When it comes to the FBI, CIA, DOJ, IRS, DHS, CDC and other federal government agencies, I believe nothing. Trump has proven time and again that there was and still is a deep state that controls our lives and takes aim at anyone who threatens their agendas. Where as they like Uncle Joe because he is their puppet and the democrat party has a lot of indoctrinated sheep. But some of the darker sheep are seeing the light and straying off. No problem, open the borders up Joe......Joe says "OK".
    Last edited by Atxshoxfan; July 24, 2023, 11:10 AM.

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  • Shockm
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    Originally posted by wufan View Post

    So it wasn’t stupid nor smart? It just kinda happened? Like it was a freak accident, or an intentional nonchalant act?
    Here's something that wasn't smart. Trump stipulated that he had no remaining classified papers in his possession prior to the Mara Lago raid. While the raid imo, was more force than necessary, and showed a two tier system compared to Biden, Clinton, and others, this was an unforced error by Trump, and that he wasn't negotiating in good faith. It gave them the excuse they wanted and exposed Trump to illegal court difficulties. Trump said they were de-classified, and his opponents says they weren't. Many Judges and Juries that aren't political hacks won't take kindly to being lied to, if that is proved.

    Former President Trump's lawyer certified in June that no classified material remains at Mar-a-Lago
    FBI agents seized records that were marked as classified during their raid, according to released documents.

    Former President Trump's lawyer certified in a June letter that no classified material was still at Mar-a-Lago, two sources with knowledge of the investigation tell Fox News.

    Agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation executed a search warrant on the Florida estate of former President Donald Trump on Monday and seized items, which include 11 sets of material that are listed as classified.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/for...mains-mar-lago

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  • Atxshoxfan
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    Originally posted by wufan View Post

    I don’t know who you’re referencing. Trump did some good things and some bad things in my mind. I find that not being able to tell the difference between what is good and was is bad is stupid.
    After the disagreement starts with a statement that Trump was stupid for taking the docs, you have twisted your way to an argument of right or wrong. Totally different argument.

    But I believe it is neither stupid or smart. It may be wrong, but if so, why did Hillary and Joe get by with far worse infractions with no consequences?

    Based on your thought processes on this argument, I will take your attempted insult as a compliment. Thank you.

    ​​​​​My original post on this subject was" I wish I was so stupid as Trump" and it still stands.
    Last edited by Atxshoxfan; July 24, 2023, 07:58 AM.

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  • wufan
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    Originally posted by Atxshoxfan View Post

    You really think everything you do has to be either smart or stupid?
    Here is something stupid for you. Anyone who thinks trump packed all of his stuff personally into boxes, Well that is stupid to believe.

    Then when Trump let the FBI come to Mara Lago and search for docs the first time, he was told to put additional locks on the door, but the FBI took nothing, that time. And trump complied by installing additional locks. The next time they came was a made for tv production of the FBI's raid on Mara Lago.

    But hey. There are some uninformed people who believe Trump packed it all up and was hiding it away. MSNBC, CNN, CNBC and other democrat operatives have sold it in that manner while giving Hillary and Joe passes for more aggregious behaviors.
    I don’t know who you’re referencing. Trump did some good things and some bad things in my mind. I find that not being able to tell the difference between what is good and was is bad is stupid.

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  • Atxshoxfan
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    Originally posted by wufan View Post

    So it wasn’t stupid nor smart? It just kinda happened?
    You really think everything you do has to be either smart or stupid?
    Here is something stupid for you. Anyone who thinks trump packed all of his stuff personally into boxes, Well that is stupid to believe.

    Then when Trump let the FBI come to Mara Lago and search for docs the first time, he was told to put additional locks on the door, but the FBI took nothing, that time. And trump complied by installing additional locks. The next time they came was a made for tv production of the FBI's raid on Mara Lago.

    But hey. There are some uninformed people who believe Trump packed it all up and was hiding it away. MSNBC, CNN, CNBC and other democrat operatives have sold it in that manner while giving Hillary and Joe passes for more aggregious behaviors.
    Last edited by Atxshoxfan; July 23, 2023, 10:59 PM.

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