Any Trump fans getting tired...

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Dishonesty.

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And now for something completely different.

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And now for something completely different.

Kenosha is a busy place. By the way, last report, the victim was still alive at a hospital.

2 nights ago, no police involved, 2 blacks were shot and 1 died.

A week ago, a police officer was shot in an exchange of fire with a black man. The man was wanted by police and arrested. The officer is at home recovering.

As a note to the Lafayette shooting, the police apparently followed the victim for 1/2 mile from one gas mart to another after they received a call of a disturbance at the first one. So they had nearly 1/2 mile to think of something to do to stop him before he even got to the door of the next gas mart.

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Again.... why are you trying to get in your car when 2 or 3 cops with their freaking guns are drawn on you telling you to do something other than get in your car?

I blame the media narrative that cops are out to kill blacks, causing blacks to fear cops and run from cops, causing cops to kill blacks. It's a vicious cycle and needs to stop!!

And if 3 cops cant just tackle the freaking guy without shooting him, what good are they?

So stupid all around.

People are effing stupid. And I am at the point where I just don't care anymore. I have yet to see one video where a cop shoots someone who is complying with their commands.

Please show me that video. Otherwise if I hear a cop say put your hands up, etc and the person starts talking and resisting, I'm over it. I have very few ****s to give on a daily basis and this crap is definitely not worth any.

Aside from commenting on SN, aside.

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As a note to the Lafayette shooting, the police apparently followed the victim for 1/2 mile from one gas mart to another after they received a call of a disturbance at the first one. So they had nearly 1/2 mile to think of something to do to stop him before he even got to the door of the next gas mart.

They tazed him multiplied times and told him to stop and drop the knife. You know what you don’t do to stop someone with a knife? Get in close and try to wrestle them to the ground.

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Again.... why are you trying to get in your car when 2 or 3 cops with their freaking guns are drawn on you telling you to do something other than get in your car?

I blame the media narrative that cops are out to kill blacks, causing blacks to fear cops and run from cops, causing cops to kill blacks. It's a vicious cycle and needs to stop!!

And if 3 cops cant just tackle the freaking guy without shooting him, what good are they?

So stupid all around.

People are effing stupid. And I am at the point where I just don't care anymore. I have yet to see one video where a cop shoots someone who is complying with their commands.

Please show me that video. Otherwise if I hear a cop say put your hands up, etc and the person starts talking and resisting, I'm over it. I have very few ****s to give on a daily basis and this crap is definitely not worth any.

Aside from commenting on SN, aside.

The guy in Lafayette was tackled, but got away and was headed for his car.

The Philando Castile video was pretty close to following commands and got shot. Black man shot by a Hispanic cop.

About 4 years ago some cops shot a drunk guy in a hotel that was pleading for his life. His pants were falling down and he was trying to pull them up and they shot him. White victim, white cop.

There was the swatting incident in Wichita where the guy came out on his porch and they shot him. Don’t know which of the two dozen cops shot the white guy.

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Wisconsin

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And this...

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And this...

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They tazed him multiplied times and told him to stop and drop the knife. You know what you don’t do to stop someone with a knife? Get in close and try to wrestle them to the ground.

They tased him several times where besides the driveway of the second gas mart. Never said anything about hand to hand. Hope their last second decision to shoot him 10+ times was worth it.

Wisconsin

And this...

And especially this!

And this...

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Police make mistakes and have bad people who work among them, but I would challenge anyone who criticizes police actions to put on a blue uniform that makes one a natural target to others who are bad people, and go to work, especially in dangerous cities with dangerous surroundings (including gangs, and drug addicts), with people who you know nothing about.

Who are the good people who need your help and who are the bad people who care nothing about anyone except themselves? These are decisions that police have to make everyday in sketching situations at best.

I have heard from first responders (EMTs in this case) who aren't cops and tell me how intimidating it can be in certain situations when called out at night. How do you think a cop feels?

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They tased him several times where besides the driveway of the second gas mart. Never said anything about hand to hand. Hope their last second decision to shoot him 10+ times was worth it.





And especially this!

Twice in the video. What do you think they should have done besides shooting him in the leg?

Are you saying that those cops in Louisiana are responsible for people breaking the law in Wisconsin????? If that is what you are insinuating, we disagree greatly.

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Well, 10 or more shots is a little overkill, don't you think. No police should have been in fear for their life with a half dozen of other cops together. Guy had a knife (not a gun), didn't stop, got tasered, that didn't stop him, drop him with a shot to the leg. No doubt the guy was acting as a martyr, and guess what, he was.

The unofficial statement will be that the officers fired because they felt their lives (or the lives of others) were in danger. They stopped firing when the threat was neutralized.

There was a period of time when I did extensive research into terminal ballistics, officer involved shootings, and all the variables that affect an outcome during (auditory processing disorder, muscle memory, reflexes, stress etc.) I can say that a man with a knife is considered more dangerous from 25ft than a man with a gun. I can go into details if you like.

But... I have a problem with lethal use of force to "stop threats".

Here's some inside info: When officer's decide to fire, they will all usually fire at once. This obfuscates the person that actually "killed" the perp. This also ensures the perp will drop. Bullets are sent from different origins at volumes rivaling an automatic weapon. Now, the time at which the shootee ('sup wufan!) receives medical attention is the determining factor upon whether or not they survive. The vast majority of shooting deaths are due to blood loss. You will normally not see officer's offer much care for extended periods - even after handcuffing the now unconscious perp. Even in CCL class, the instructor (usually a cop) laughs as he instructs his students to "shoot to kill" because nobody wants a trial... dead guys can't sue.

So yeah, when you see a group of cops shower a drunken, many times mentally disturbed individual with bullets, there are a few reasons for that.

Here's the problem I have with this method of force. It isn't nearly as "effective" as tasering. And cops, because the resourceful little devils that they are, have already implemented the "multi-taser" approach (only a few fatalities with this method). I have used a taser on my own finger and believe me when I tell you this... you will go down. Dropping a perp with a gun is actually not as easy as you see in the movies. It can actually have the opposite effect. Most gunshot victims "choose" to exit the fight. They don't die or are incapacitated immediately (unless the CNS is struck which is rare). There have been perps with 20+ gunshot wounds who have gone on to survive.

Electrocution, "short-circuits" the CNS from almost any point in the body. It is far more effective and user-friendly. But nobody dies.

When I offer advice to my lady friends, it is always to forgo the pistol for the taser. It's just so much easier to implement, more effective as a deterrent (threat stopper), and you don't get innocent people shot.

A final point on police training: most police train at the range only to pass their periodic qualification test (sometimes as infrequent as once per year). They also (as a general rule) don't maintain their weapons as they should. Nationally, their target hit-rate in OIS is around 30%. That means a lot of bullets are sprayed in places not meant to be sprayed. This is another reason tasers would be a better choice.

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I do believe we've gone off-topic on the Trump thread. I'm not gonna accuse anybody of thread-shitting but... maybe all the shooting posts should be moved into a shooting thread? Just sayin'...

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The unofficial statement will be that the officers fired because they felt their lives (or the lives of others) were in danger. They stopped firing when the threat was neutralized.

There was a period of time when I did extensive research into terminal ballistics, officer involved shootings, and all the variables that affect an outcome during (auditory processing disorder, muscle memory, reflexes, stress etc.) I can say that a man with a knife is considered more dangerous from 25ft than a man with a gun. I can go into details if you like.

But... I have a problem with lethal use of force to "stop threats".

Here's some inside info: When officer's decide to fire, they will all usually fire at once. This obfuscates the person that actually "killed" the perp. This also ensures the perp will drop. Bullets are sent from different origins at volumes rivaling an automatic weapon. Now, the time at which the shootee ('sup wufan!) receives medical attention is the determining factor upon whether or not they survive. The vast majority of shooting deaths are due to blood loss. You will normally not see officer's offer much care for extended periods - even after handcuffing the now unconscious perp. Even in CCL class, the instructor (usually a cop) laughs as he instructs his students to "shoot to kill" because nobody wants a trial... dead guys can't sue.

So yeah, when you see a group of cops shower a drunken, many times mentally disturbed individual with bullets, there are a few reasons for that.

Here's the problem I have with this method of force. It isn't nearly as "effective" as tasering. And cops, because the resourceful little devils that they are, have already implemented the "multi-taser" approach (only a few fatalities with this method). I have used a taser on my own finger and believe me when I tell you this... you will go down. Dropping a perp with a gun is actually not as easy as you see in the movies. It can actually have the opposite effect. Most gunshot victims "choose" to exit the fight. They don't die or are incapacitated immediately (unless the CNS is struck which is rare). There have been perps with 20+ gunshot wounds who have gone on to survive.

Electrocution, "short-circuits" the CNS from almost any point in the body. It is far more effective and user-friendly. But nobody dies.

When I offer advice to my lady friends, it is always to forgo the pistol for the taser. It's just so much easier to implement, more effective as a deterrent (threat stopper), and you don't get innocent people shot.

A final point on police training: most police train at the range only to pass their periodic qualification test (sometimes as infrequent as once per year). They also (as a general rule) don't maintain their weapons as they should. Nationally, their target hit-rate in OIS is around 30%. That means a lot of bullets are sprayed in places not meant to be sprayed. This is another reason tasers would be a better choice.

In the case in Lafayette, the use of tasers was ineffective as it likely didn’t pierce the skin at two points. That is unfortunate.