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  • I think with Duffy it may be that he does have more command with a little less speed on his pitches. It will be interesting to watch as the season winds down if his velocity continues to drop, that is not a good thing. They talked to him after the game on Tuesday and he talked like he was trusting his defense more and maybe not trying to be quite as fine with his pitches. He has sure pitched well since coming off the DL and I will take that.
    Go Shocks!

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    • Originally posted by ShockerDropOut View Post
      I think with Duffy it may be that he does have more command with a little less speed on his pitches. It will be interesting to watch as the season winds down if his velocity continues to drop, that is not a good thing. They talked to him after the game on Tuesday and he talked like he was trusting his defense more and maybe not trying to be quite as fine with his pitches. He has sure pitched well since coming off the DL and I will take that.
      I think the point of the blog's analysis was to show he may not be pitching any better, but getting luckier with the extreme swing in his BABIP pre/post DL. You might be able to argue that a portion of the change in BABIP could be due to getting a little more movement on his pitches, but that's difficult to qualify without an analysis of pitchEFX data.

      Duffy and Ventura make me nervous when they take the mound.

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      • Originally posted by RoyalShock View Post
        Duffy and Ventura make me nervous when they take the mound.
        Yes.
        It always feels like either of them could lose their command at anytime and walk two players and then lay one down the middle. The only thing about Duffy that makes me feel better is that it seems like when Eiland visits the mound, a simple mechanic adjustment is all it takes to get him back. Ventura's confidence is so low that once he loses it, it's tougher for him to get it back.

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        • Originally posted by shockmonster View Post
          Yes.
          It always feels like either of them could lose their command at anytime and walk two players and then lay one down the middle. The only thing about Duffy that makes me feel better is that it seems like when Eiland visits the mound, a simple mechanic adjustment is all it takes to get him back. Ventura's confidence is so low that once he loses it, it's tougher for him to get it back.
          Vargas going down was a definite blow. Ventura needed some time in Omaha to get right.

          (Omaha. Get right. That sounds weird even in a baseball context! ;) )

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          • I hope that everyone is enjoying watching Guthrie throw batting practice tonight. Zobrist on the bench and Omar in the game. Guh
            One quick note before we present the rankings: With Wichita State’s move to the American Athletic Conference, the Shockers have moved out of the mid-major club. We wish the Shockers well against Cincinnati, UConn, SMU, and more.

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            • Guthrie's line

              5.2, 6ER, 1K, 1BB

              He's gritty. Lets let him pitch more.
              One quick note before we present the rankings: With Wichita State’s move to the American Athletic Conference, the Shockers have moved out of the mid-major club. We wish the Shockers well against Cincinnati, UConn, SMU, and more.

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              • And he gets the win.

                he still sucks and it's a BS stat.
                One quick note before we present the rankings: With Wichita State’s move to the American Athletic Conference, the Shockers have moved out of the mid-major club. We wish the Shockers well against Cincinnati, UConn, SMU, and more.

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                • Was at game, first one this year. Except for being corn cob night it was a great night. The Royals are never out of a game. They scored 3/4 runs in back-2-back innings to stretch the game open. Guth/Hoch couldn't get it done in the middle innings to make it interesting. I love watching Dyson run. He is a catylist. Holland closed out a good come from behind win. On to tomorrow.

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                  • Originally posted by Shoxthemonkey View Post
                    And he gets the win.

                    he still sucks and it's a BS stat.
                    They still keep track of wins?

                    Huh. Quality starts would be a much more useful stat.

                    How about Ventura's line last night. 6.0 IP 2 H, 0 ER, 6 BBs, 8 Ks. Weird.

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                    • Unfortunately, Ned still looks at wins as an indicator. He even commented about it after JGuts last start. "He got the win, didn't he?"

                      Ventura is the most enigmatic starter in recent memory. Goes from clueless to locked in and back in the course of an inning.
                      One quick note before we present the rankings: With Wichita State’s move to the American Athletic Conference, the Shockers have moved out of the mid-major club. We wish the Shockers well against Cincinnati, UConn, SMU, and more.

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                      • Ventura is weird. Look at a couple recent starts involving the Johnny Cueto factor. The day that Cueto was traded to Kansas City, Ventura pitched a gem against Houston, almost to say, "Hey guys, I can still pitch pretty well." After a couple of mediocre/bad starts, Ventura has to follow up Cueto's complete-game shutout home debut. So of course, Ventura has another outing, showing more signs of being ACE Ventura.

                        If Cueto keeps pitching well and Ventura finds a way to feed off that and compete with him, the Commisioner's Trophy is coming back to One Royal Way.
                        78-65

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                        • Even with all the walks he had last night, I thought the key was that Ventura was missing low. Shox is right though, you never know what pitcher you are going to get from inning to inning. I am happy he battled through it though. I think we need him for the postseason. Let him get this all worked out now while we have a HUGE lead in the division.

                          Royal, you are right, quality starts is a much better indicator of pitching performance. Wins can be a fickle statistic.
                          Go Shocks!

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                          • I'm really hoping that Volquez and Cueto can be the stabilizing force that YV needs to get him grounded. KC is going to need Ventura and Duffy in any of the 7 game series in the playoffs. It was also nice to see that a lineup sans Rios and Omar led to a win. Ned has to be able to see that Rios has no hustle and Omar is a blackhole on offense. That Zobrist error might have him thinking twice about sitting Omar but it needs to happen. No way does Rios make the play that Paulo made in the late innings. It's a much different game if that ball drops and Detroit scores a couple. Oh, and Moose showed some signs yesterday. I can't imagine playing a game when your mother is deathly ill. It has to be wearing on him some. I will cut him a lot of slack right now.
                            One quick note before we present the rankings: With Wichita State’s move to the American Athletic Conference, the Shockers have moved out of the mid-major club. We wish the Shockers well against Cincinnati, UConn, SMU, and more.

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                            • Originally posted by ShockerDropOut View Post
                              Even with all the walks he had last night, I thought the key was that Ventura was missing low. Shox is right though, you never know what pitcher you are going to get from inning to inning. I am happy he battled through it though. I think we need him for the postseason. Let him get this all worked out now while we have a HUGE lead in the division.

                              Royal, you are right, quality starts is a much better indicator of pitching performance. Wins can be a fickle statistic.
                              Missing low is definitely preferable. But one think I noticed several times last night (and I admit, I didn't watch closely, but did pick up on some things), there seemed to be a lot of pitches where neither he nor Salvy had any idea where they were going. I don't know if these were all off-speed pitches or what, but the command didn't seem to be there while I was watching. They used to call that "effectively wild". Pitchers described that way don't last in a starting rotation.

                              I want Ventura to get it figured out in the worst way. We need he and Duffy to be on their game to get back to World Series. Because I have a feeling Toronto is going to loom large in the ALCS, assuming we get there. (I'm sure the Angels or Tigers thought they had their tickets punched last year, and look what happened.)

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                              • Originally posted by TheDover1018 View Post
                                My predictions:
                                - Yes, but more because of Ventura and Duffy than Volquez
                                - hard to see them not doing so
                                -Rios, yes. kendry's no(Butler was bad last year though)
                                -already done it two years in a row; why not 3?
                                - Hosmer yes, Moose meh
                                - Cain absolutely, infante may play 140 but will be ineffictive due to injury

                                88 wins and a WC Spot. Let's go Royals!
                                Shall we review?

                                Item 1: Right answer, wrong reason, although Venture and Duffy may have finally decided to join in the fun, Volquez has been the anchor.
                                Item 2: Well, sort of. Guthrie is Guthrie and Vargas was doing OK before going down. Now Vargas is a non-factor, maybe even for next year.
                                Item 3: Royals fans are glad you were wrong (so far).
                                Item 4: The bullpen has been as strong as ever.....until recently.
                                Item 5: Half right. (I would have said the same.)
                                Item 6: Nailed it. KC has been careful with Cain. Omar may have lost his job.
                                Item 7: Can you say "More than 88"?

                                Royals go out and get Cueto and Zobrist. My Cards get Moss. :disgust: :banghead: (Where's that "throw-up" smilie when I need it)

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