Coronavirus 2019-nCoV

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"According to new data from a large clinical trial, the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is up to 71% percent effective against hospitalization and 96% percent effective against death from the Delta variant."

I mean if that's true --- and that's against Delta -- in a 500,000 sample study of healthcare workers no less, then how can you call something more way effective than Pfizer and probably better results than Moderna garbage?

Study: Vaccines Strongly Protect Those 65-Plus Against Hospitalization


New findings of a recent study of hospital data found that the three available COVID-19 vaccines in the U.S. were highly effective in preventing severe illness and hospitalization in adults 65 years of age or older.

Researchers monitored COVID-19 patients 65 and older between February 1 and April 30. According to the study, the two-dose Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines reduced the risk of hospitalization by 96 percent in adults 65-74 years old. The single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine lowered the risk of hospitalization by 84 percent for adults of the same age range. A previous study released by the CDC reported similar results.

“In this analysis of 7,280 laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 cases among hospitalized adults aged 65 or older, all three COVID-19 vaccine products currently authorized for use in the United States had high effectiveness in preventing COVID-19–associated hospitalizations,” states the CDC.

These findings are consistent with estimates from other observational studies of the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, and provide an early estimate of the effectiveness of Johnson & Johnson vaccine in preventing COVID-19–associated hospitalization. The CDC study covered a period of time before the delta variant become the dominant COVID-19 strain. However, other studies since then have shown that all three vaccines continue to provide robust protection against severe illness against the more transmissible delta variant.

The data included in the study’s analysis were from: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Tennessee, and Utah.

71% sucks. Particularly when a study uses a cherry-picked subset of the population: healthcare workers who will be on average healthier w/ stronger immune systems than the 65-plus group.

[Kung Wu]

71% sucks. Particularly when a study uses a cherry-picked subset of the population: healthcare workers who will be on average healthier w/ stronger immune systems than the 65-plus group.

The study you just compared to was 3 months long. How long was the J&J study? We don't know so we can't compare. But we do know that a 3 month study is way too short, because the efficacy numbers fall off fairly quickly starting at month 4.

The study you just compared to also started Feb 1. That's over one month before Delta variant was even found in the U.S. The J&J study is very specifically discussing efficacy against your favorite variant -- which now accounts for over 93% of US cases.

71% exceeds Pfizer for sure and may exceed Moderna when we can compare the results. Or this study may just be trash. Either way you cannot compare the study you posted and glean anything useful from it.

[ShockerFever]

Because the J&J vaccine is garbage.

Do you, like Fauci, have investments in mRNA vaccines?

[wufan]

Do you think the J&J shot, being more well-known tech, will have fairly accurate early trial efficacy numbers? I mean I get we are dealing with a novel virus, so there's definitely going to be learnings needing to happen, but overall you'd think they'd be more accurate wouldn't you?

I wouldn’t think so. The trials are run the same regardless of the tech and the statistical analysis used is all pre-determined and regulated.

SB Shock has an interesting hypothesis I haven’t heard before. I was under the impression that the studies were done within a few weeks of each other, and because they were done on various populations around the world, this should further mitigate any timeframe biases, but I haven’t looked into this, so maybe.

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The study you just compared to was 3 months long. How long was the J&J study? We don't know so we can't compare. But we do know that a 3 month study is way too short, because the efficacy numbers fall off fairly quickly starting at month 4.

The study you just compared to also started Feb 1. That's over one month before Delta variant was even found in the U.S. The J&J study is very specifically discussing efficacy against your favorite variant -- which now accounts for over 93% of US cases.

71% exceeds Pfizer for sure and may exceed Moderna when we can compare the results. Or this study may just be trash. Either way you cannot compare the study you posted and glean anything useful from it.

Am I being punked right now? Is there a camera on me? If not this is my expression:



Sir, are you by any chance conflating efficacy w/ respect to infection prevention, and efficacy w/ respect to hospitalization? Because they aren't the same. The infection prevention ship has sailed. For all we know people are getting infected multiple times without even knowing it. Perhaps we will find that Das Alien lives inside all of us now, sleeping peacefully like varicella zoster until it's activated like a Manchurian Candidate.

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Do you, like Fauci, have investments in mRNA vaccines?

I submit that this thread's name be changed to "Coronavirus 2019-nCoV Conspiracy Theories and Low-Probability Thinking"

It's very not hard to look like a Covid informational genius in this thread. While everybody is calling for Ivermectin, herd immunity, Covid being a hoax to take down Trump, Covid being the flu, natural infection over vaccines, masks don't work, social distancing doesn't work, J&J is really the BeSt, open EvErYtHiNg up, Sweden got it RIGHT, LiBuRtY and tyranny, anti-vax, fake Covid death count, fake Covid infection count, variants aren't real/scary, oh... and FAUCI INVESTS IN mRNA, etc... ...all one has to do is... the opposite.

Guide to being a Covid genius on Shockernet:

1) Read what the top docs are saying.

2) Repeat what the top docs are saying.

3) Don't repeat anything stupid you read on Facebook, Twitter, or Fox News.

3) Congratulations, you're now a Covid genius.

[Kung Wu]

Faaaaake.

[shoxlax]

Blue Masks Basically Worthless:

https://uwaterloo.ca/news/media/stud...-curb-covid-19

Of course the predictable response is lockdown until we get better masks.

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Blue Masks Basically Worthless:

https://uwaterloo.ca/news/media/study-supports-widespread-use-better-masks-curb-covid-19

Love that article! Thank you for sharing!

“There is no question it is beneficial to wear any face covering, both for protection in close proximity and at a distance in a room,” said Serhiy Yarusevych, a professor of mechanical and mechatronics engineering and the leader of the study. “However, there is a very serious difference in the effectiveness of different masks when it comes to controlling aerosols.”

That is a 100% factual comment.

[ABC]

So do we agree that vaccines are better than nothing? Including being a hermit or living like the Unabomber?

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So do we agree that vaccines are better than nothing? Including being a hermit or living like the Unabomber?

100% brother. Your chances of a really nasty go w/ the |NF3CT0R fully vaccinated are slim as long as you aren't immunocompromised in some way or fashion. And I think the booster is a very good idea at 6-8 mos. past your initial vaccination. Moderna sounds like a good compliment to Pfizer, but they're investigating another myocarditis issue.

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/8/22/22633962/moderna-side-effects-heart-issue-risk

It's in young people, but if there is a greater incidence in one vaccine over the other, then I would take the "cleaner" of the two because... why not?

You can be a hermit if you wish, but please don't live like the Unabomber!

[ShockerFever]

I submit that this thread's name be changed to "Coronavirus 2019-nCoV Conspiracy Theories and Low-Probability Thinking"

It's very not hard to look like a Covid informational genius in this thread. While everybody is calling for Ivermectin, herd immunity, Covid being a hoax to take down Trump, Covid being the flu, natural infection over vaccines, masks don't work, social distancing doesn't work, J&J is really the BeSt, open EvErYtHiNg up, Sweden got it RIGHT, LiBuRtY and tyranny, anti-vax, fake Covid death count, fake Covid infection count, variants aren't real/scary, oh... and FAUCI INVESTS IN mRNA, etc... ...all one has to do is... the opposite.

Guide to being a Covid genius on Shockernet:

1) Read what the top docs are saying.

2) Repeat what the top docs are saying.

3) Don't repeat anything stupid you read on Facebook, Twitter, or Fox News.

3) Congratulations, you're now a Covid genius.

Triggered response.

[jdmee]

Triggered response.

Proves exactly what most of us knew. There is no critical thought process with him. Just parrot what is told to him by the "experts"

[Kung Wu]

So do we agree that vaccines are better than nothing? Including being a hermit or living like the Unabomber?

For protecting the vulnerable against severe disease, definitely better than nothing.

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https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.

Let's rock and roll!